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    Posted: 04 Mar 2024 at 08:13
Just rode to work and noticed the bike really slowing down quick when off the throttle, then noticed a lot of travel on the rear brake - turns out my master cylinder is leaking.
Has anyone replaced the Aprilia version with something different? I don't particularly want to go second hand gen1 and also don't really want to go with something Aprilia designed for the rear brake, seeing as it seems to have a habit of being rubbish.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote tfcoulson Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Mar 2024 at 08:23
Ah maybe Ill just go for a rebuild!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Spoonz Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Mar 2024 at 10:35
It’s a Brembo unit so not a bad design just poorly implemented. If you don’t want to relocate it via rearsets, I would repair it or fit a used item. If you relocate it, fit an rsv4 unit. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote twinfan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Mar 2024 at 13:15
I have an RSV4 unit on mine attached to AP rearsets and the system works great
on my licence it says "tear down the dotted line" so I DO!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote legend88 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Mar 2024 at 07:48
Originally posted by twinfan twinfan wrote:

I have an RSV4 unit on mine attached to AP rearsets and the system works great


Me too, a definite improvement:

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote snowman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Mar 2024 at 13:36
I will do that on mine I think .
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote tfcoulson Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Mar 2024 at 18:28
It actually just looks like it might have been the hjc? tube I have. Removed and re-tightned/bled it and will see how it goes. Might need to snip off the bottom bit thats a bit crushed from where its been clamped on if it keeps being an issue.
I've already got the AP rearsets so couldnt use the original resevoir. That rsv4 one looks good actually.
...It also looks alot less rusty in that area Approve
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote IanG Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Mar 2024 at 14:37
Sorry,get the gist now,you didn't have an original res? 

As of course you can use the original res with the AP rearsets.

Easy and tidily in fact,I thought about one of those integral res units but decided against it on two counts.
a) I'm tight LOL   Why buy something new that's not needed and..
b)  They look to damn close to the s/arm for comfort to me and I'm using a brand new s/a.

I use the original master and res on both my Mille and Gen2 Tuono while using AP rearsets on both, although tbh I don't find any difference in rear braking before or after,I can still lock the rear wheel and never had any issues with bleeding or fade when things were standard.

One thing I did do which may have helped when first bleeding after splitting the system was when I replaced the brake line for a new HEL unit I specced it slightly longer and fitted it to the lower bleed nipple posn on the caliper with the bleed relocated to the upper posn.

No need for any of this stupid remove the caliper and hold it up by the seat nonsense.  You can bleed both the clutch and the rear brake easily with no issues and with only a couple of res fills by just doing the job correctly in the first place.

 I despair watching some modern 'technicians' they haven't got a clue if they don't have access to pressure or vac bleeding aids, let gravity do the hard work.

Old school rules  Wink 





These were 'dry build' pics  I'm now using a new Smoked Res to match the bar units and the caliper has had a complete overhaul with new fasteners throughout and and new seals etc.

www.apworkshops.co.uk
www.apriliaforum.co.uk
www.apriliaownersclub.co.uk

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote tfcoulson Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Mar 2024 at 21:44
I didnt think the original fit, thought there would be a bit of a clearance issue. Have you got any washers or anything attaching it to the heel guard? The HJC unit clouds up as well from the brake fluid, not the best piece of kit. I have a spare HEL line I think (probably not longer but seeing as I didnt even realise I had ordered it and then ordered a goodridge who knows!).
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote IanG Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Mar 2024 at 21:55
Regarding spacers or washers I'm sorry but I can't remember, it shouldn't need any as the rearsets were designed to be a straight swap as I understand it..

I do seem to recall slightly relieving either a clearance hole or or the side of a counterbore slightly to enable a straighter actuating rod run though.

I do remember making an alloy bobbin to mount the res on

I might have another pic of the install somewhere,I'll have a search
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote IanG Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Mar 2024 at 22:14

It does look as though I may have used a stainless washer between the cylinder and mount, it could be that the spotfacing on the cylinder fouled slightly and needed a standoff,it was a few years ago now and the fine details escape me.  I could have a look when the rains stop and I can get to my garage again.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote tfcoulson Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Mar 2024 at 20:49
Yep it definitely needs some sort of washer there otherwise the roundness of the pot sticks into the heel guard too much.
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That green pipe is absolute dog sh!t.
It sweats like crazy and absorbs moisture from the atmosphere.  
I went through 2 separate ones in 2 weeks before I binned them and used the original reservoir.

No idea why they're still being sold.
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Originally posted by V60 V60 wrote:

That green pipe is absolute dog sh!t.
It sweats like crazy and absorbs moisture from the atmosphere.  
I went through 2 separate ones in 2 weeks before I binned them and used the original reservoir.

No idea why they're still being sold.

Weight saving on race bikes that only go an hour between bleeds. That's the only reason they exist.

And as you say, completely crap and potentially dangerous on road bikes but so many people are so blinded by 'Race bling' that they don't even think anything through.


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The Honda forums are full of folk complaining about them there too. 

It makes zero sense that a receptacle for storing brake fluid reacts badly to said brake fluid and is porous to boot.. bonkers!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote redratbike Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Mar 2024 at 18:35
i run an rsv4 master cylinder with a built in reservoir … KTM items also work and probably cheaper 


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Fitz Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 May 2024 at 10:31
I got a KTM unit is the same Brembo unit as on the RSV4 but with out the tax !! and loads on eBay as it is used on lots of different bike models 

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