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Topic: New Member - lots of questions!
Posted By: Fazer Fail
Subject: New Member - lots of questions!
Date Posted: 04 Sep 2025 at 10:54
Hi everyone, just joined although have dipped in and out and watched a lot of Griff's videos and bought a few bits from AP.
Well took a rush of blood to the head and picked up a very old very neglected Aprilia.

Its an early 2001 SL1000 Falco.

Bought as non runner spares or repair with known sprag clutch failure apparently.

Bit of a dog clearly been left outside lots of corrosion.

Some bodywork but not all and was held together with zip ties.

Owner said had sit for 5 years not run as needed sprag clutch etc.

What I have found so far-
bodywork off frame is cloudy corroded mess 
rear brake caliper been swapped for non Brembo, brake line too short not connected
speed sensor wiring chewed up
forks a mess dust seals rotted through and fork tubes badly corroded turning to powder 
Fuel lines kinked and worn through
Fuel pump failed
battery failed
wheels badly corroded
clutch really heavy and seems to not work

What i have done so far -
Replaced the battery with a much bigger unit 270 CCA (just fits under the seat)
Replaced the fuel pump, filter and all internal and external hoses with SAE J30 R6.
Managed to get it to start and run.

Still to do -
fit new spark plugs
change oil and filter
fit new pipercross air filter
bleed clutch 
bleed brakes (front)

need a little help with a few points, 
Rear brake where should the lines run not clear on mine as not the correct caliper or brake line, also the speedo sensor wire has been damaged presume this is routed the same way.

Rear shock - the owner said it had a replacement shock its a blue spring non adjustable Sachs looks second hand to me. Its soft the back end feels much softer than the front. I read up and came to conclusion the oem shock is not good so got what was meant to be a Sachs shock from an RSV said fits 1998 -2003 but now seems its the 2001 variant- yellow spring gold body with thumb knob adjustment for rebound and compression and locknut at base to adjust height. From what I have read this will not work with my Falco dogbone and triangles, went to look for 2001-2003 RSV dog bones wow £100 plus £100 for bearings then £50 for triangles, even used want more than £100 with shagged bearings! I was going to get the shock rebuilt can I not fit a heavier spring or the original blue spring from the Falco or get a custom spring for my weight this be cheaper than trying to get dogbones and triangles. 
Am i better just getting a decent aftermarket unit as will be about the same costs now?

Front Forks - not had them off yet but they are a mess they look to be the black Showa type the dust seals are swollen and blown but not leaking oil from main seals or not badly at least. The big concern is huge amount of oxidation on the black fork tubes above the mudguard is like white powder and flaking off in chunks! Won't know until they are off and stripped, but they look bad. Is this a common flaw any known fixes? Don't want to spend money on them if the tubes are beyond repair, had a look the price of RSV or Falco forks used is more than the bike is worth tbh. Any known replacements from other models that would fit to save a few quid?

Charging issues -  only getting 12.5v at idle - had a look yep brown connector from reg/rec is cracked and joint looks crappy, will look to remake or just solder it together, seen another video for the RSV that mentions running new wires to the reg reg to ensure it gets a dedicated live and neutral, due to the positioning on the Falco at the rear next the battery is this needed? 

Bodywork - no idea at present what is missing apart from a mirror and a cracked screen its in bits and until i fix all the other woes not sure if bodywork will be needed!

was going to scrap it such is poor condition, but when i got power on and the dash back to miles its done less than 8k, surely has life in it yet?
The exhausts don't look right seme to point inwards to each other and gather any pipes or single pipe conversion is four figures, not an option for a scrap bike tbh.

Been able to get it starting and running feels a bit rough but then the fuel in the lines and throttle bodies was toxic, I read that injector o rings were not available or that gaskets for throttle bodies were om the expensive side, so when replacing the hoses I left off the return and primes the pump without starting util i got clean fuel back out took about a ltr of fuel! obvious this has not fully cleaned the injectors but its running and will add some cleaner to the tank and run it up see if that helps.

Oddly when I started it with booster pack turned over great no noise from the sprag clutch and started fairly quickly, even when from the new battery starts quick, looks like ir has a replacement cables and solenoid so that might explain how i can use the full battery power. I beginning to wonder if the fuel pump went or a duff battery not getting fully charged was in fact the issue?

Open to any thoughts on what I can or can't do with old girl or should i cut my losses ?

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Posted By: Spoonz
Date Posted: 04 Sep 2025 at 13:29
Hi there, I hope it was cheap. 

Sounds like someone used an aggressive cleaner like muc off etc on the bike and left it on too long. Hence the cloudy look to the clear anodise on the frame etc. no real fix for that other than either polishing or getting it re done. Re the forks,  if corroding that badly you may need replacements. If you think they are not compromised strength wise you could rub them back and fill holes and repaint. The original rear shock sounds right but probably blown and lost its gas etc. it’s a case of weighing up the cheapest way forward, rebuild, replace or parts to suit the rsv shock. 

Honestly it sounds like a financial write off. That’s not to say you shouldn’t fix it, just that doing so will far outweigh its financial worth if you want it half decent. Falco parts are rare so that adds a premium although there is some crossover with the Rsv as you know. 


Posted By: Fazer Fail
Date Posted: 04 Sep 2025 at 13:52
yes think its get it a point then decide if breaking it clearly a good engine thats about it tho


Posted By: Stevex
Date Posted: 04 Sep 2025 at 14:52
Sounds to me like it's going to be a money pit. From what you've described, it'd be cheaper to buy one in decent condition if you've got your heart set on an Aprilia. I've seen pics of the Showa fork sliders when they corrode. For some reason, poor materials or poor manufacturing processes, they're prone to exfoliation corrosion, hence falling apart in chunks. Having worked on corrosion on aircraft, the only option is to grind out all the corrosion back to good metal. I doubt you'll have enough good metal left to provide sufficient strength in the forks.

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Posted By: Fazer Fail
Date Posted: 04 Sep 2025 at 15:15
yes sadly seems like it a scrapper then 


Posted By: redratbike
Date Posted: 04 Sep 2025 at 20:40
Jesus!

 just get a secondhand shock and forks for a couple of hundred quid or less and ride it 




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Posted By: Fazer Fail
Date Posted: 05 Sep 2025 at 09:09
have  got an RSV/Tuono shock just need to get it rebuilt and get the right dog none and triangles.

Not ready to give up on the old girl yet played about with the wiring from the reg rec the melted brown connector, removed the spade connectors from the connecter polished with emery paper and contact cleaner remade the joints check for resistance, seemed ok wrapped in insulating tape.

now getting 13.05v at tick over at the battery still a bit low might try a direct feed from the reg rec but little or no heat from the 3 wires so some progress being the older set up the over generation does not seem to be the issue just poor high resistance connections.

Regards forks does the Tuono use the same Showa ie could I get a set of them and drop in?


Posted By: Spoonz
Date Posted: 05 Sep 2025 at 10:26
Yes the Showa forks will fit from a Tuono.  13v is not bad at idle. The official measure of the output health is usually at 4K rpm. 


Posted By: Fazer Fail
Date Posted: 05 Sep 2025 at 10:29
Cheers will check later tonight at 4k I think i will also run new wir4es from the reg rec to the battery via the 30A fuse see if that helps


Posted By: redratbike
Date Posted: 05 Sep 2025 at 14:00
Any gen1 Mille , tuono ,and  falco forks obviously 

So If they have axial brakes it’s a straight fit

The 99-00 Rsv shock is a straight fit to a falco as they have the same dog bone and triangles 

I do have a near new falco shock here somewhere if you wanted to have a straight swap shock d


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Posted By: Fazer Fail
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2025 at 16:57
Well partial success now getting 13.5v at tick over am happy with that as should provide just enough to charge a battery.
Could not get to 4k Rpm to test its running like a bag of nails, have ordered a replacement set of of throttle bodies I think my injectors are dirty and this was cheapest option I will look at my throttle bodies in slower time.

The back brake has a new replacement non Brembo caliper was never plumbed in the hose was too short! 
Got a longer hose rerouted under the swing arm in the carrier followed the route of the speed sensor (more about that in a minute) connected up filled the tiny reservoir unbolted the caliper as the bleed nipple was on the bottom joy of under slung eh. As lines were empty used a syringe to slowly reverse bleed, all seemed ok filled up fine, no pedal or movement in the caliper. used the syringe to pull a vacuum got the usual bleed round the hose and nipple but did draw some air out. Still no pedal slight movement on the caliper but air could compress the pistons back too easy. Tried a few times then cracked banjo ay the master cylinder, yep got fluid 1st pump then nothing its like it did not want to refill. 
Took master cylinder off  as well as brake pedal and foot ped the brake lever had become seized on the foot peg, took a lot of heat and force to free but now moves freely still not sure the foot peg is right though as there are 2 slots in the bracket that look to align the peg but nothing there to align? Think something has been bodged in the past maybe?
Master cylinder looks oem Brembo side outlet rather than the end of the RSV, took ot apart looks ok seal seems fine nothing obviously wrong, put back together scratching my head.
Today searched for replacement ok can get one for £80 but also read that the black fill elbow and reservoir can be an issue and drilling them out to 4.5mm and fitting a banjo bleed fitting was the OEM fix at one point? Well ordered a banjo bleeder will not go wrong. Pulled off the black fill elbow it was tiny and hard to blow air through, so drilled out to 4.5mm and have done the same with the reservoir, will wait until banjo bleeder arrives and try again.
I know the rear brakes are an issue but could not understand this, generally a reverse bleed then couple of normal bleeds works, but not on the relic (pet name for th Falco).

The speedo sensor was a mess had been damaged next the caliper no idea how then left out and had melted on the exhaust, had to chop out damaged parts see if it works or need to extend the wiring when I refit it.

Whilst down there also noticed a big dent or flat spot on the exhaust where it goes the left pipe (looking form behind or as sit on not front on) looks like it been jacked on no way it bottomed out but never know, not  show stopper but will be a bit of a restriction.

RSV/Tuono shock turned up it seems a lot better then I expected took the spring off and plenty of gas pressure, both compression and rebound seem to work, in 2 minds if i should send for rebuild (i don't have access to nitrogen to refill it) or just fit it and see? Might look at heaver rear spring as I am no lightweight, the front feels pretty stiff already but the back seems soft  plus the Falco is a bit more upright and heaver than the RSV is it not?

That all the progress so far reluctant to make it immobile until I am happy the engine is running well then will get it up and get the forks off and rear shock and linkages off,(need to one end at time or get hold of a decent stand) also got an old fireblade side stand to try as not got a lot of faith in the oem one!

Once throttle bodies arrive will change the plugs and fir the pipercross air filter, oil looks clean but holding off changing until I do the sprag clutch, not sure it needs it but better safe if this far in, heard the KTM spag is slighter stronger?




Posted By: Spoonz
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2025 at 18:16
I don’t think the Ktm sprag is particularly stronger, it was just always a cheaper option than via Aprilia. Re the rear m/c, check the pushrod adjustment. If the rod position is too extreme it can compromise its operation as the piston doesn’t move far enough in or out to uncover the internal fluid ports.  You can end up with a brake that won’t pump or one that pumps but doesn’t fully release. 


Posted By: Fazer Fail
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2025 at 22:59
Ag good shout re push rod length now I have it all off might try bleeding on the bench, or mark the start and finish of the pushrod at least.

Thanks for the advice 


Posted By: redratbike
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2025 at 17:06
Nothing above 4k may be the fuel filters replace the canister and clean the teabag check I tank lines for cracks too or kinked lines check them out

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Posted By: Fazer Fail
Date Posted: 10 Sep 2025 at 09:58
Hi I have replaced the pump the main filter and the teabag filter plus all the hoses used the crimp style clips as well.

Replacement throttle bodies arrived they look very clean will flush some carb cleaner through and check the injector spay ok, also this one has the idle adjust thumbscrew, one on the bike seems to be missing.

Waiting on a few other bits and bobs want to get this rear brake bled its bugging me!

You will not believe this one think I figured out the poor running as it will not fire at all now, i think i used up the small amount of fuel getting it up to temperature! I only put a small amount in to check the tank was ok after the pump had been out oops forgot to top it up!


Posted By: redratbike
Date Posted: 10 Sep 2025 at 14:22
Yeah fuel helps 🤣

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Posted By: Fazer Fail
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2025 at 10:53
Well chucked some fuel in and low and behold heard the sprag clutch fail starter motor just spinning, knocked into gear knocked the engine round a touch, starter engaged fine. So add a sprag clutch to the list, given the rate things are failing imagine it will need a sprag clutch and the inner and outer covers that treble the price.

Changed the plugs old ones 3 were black and sign of over fueling only one had a touch of brown on the tip. Starts but bogging down and not taking throttle, seems to clear on higher revs.

My gut feeling is the injectors are just dumping fuel not misting.

Front cylinder seems to be getting hotter quicker than rear going by the exhausts 

I have a replacement throttle body plan is to try and clean the injectors with bodged diy solutions, if they look ok then swap the throttle body.

Also notice the throttle cable is broken at the elbow at the bars.

If still not playing then think it time to cut my losses.

when i did have it running the charge voltage to the battery was all over the place 13v, as revs rise drops to 12,5v then back at idle jumped from 12v to 19v and everything in between. Looks like the reg reg is failing, given this is a Falco and gen 1 engine it should not have the over voltage issue at stator that plagues the gen 2. 


Posted By: 426hemi
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2025 at 11:35
Try the superbike surgery for injector cleaning, very helpful guy.


Posted By: Fazer Fail
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2025 at 14:14
yes I know Jim, I cleaned the spare injectors i had and fitted the spare throttle body as i had cleaned it up.

Just ordered new seals from http://www.mrinjector.co.uk" rel="nofollow - www.mrinjector.co.uk after a chat it seems that base seals, o-rings and dust spacer seals are a common fitment for many period Japanese car such as Mazda MX5, and Yamaha outboard motors! Sold in packs of 4 so will service both sets of throttle bodies.

See when they arrive or failing that he offered a full rebuild service and test for £79.99.

I found the biggest issue to be the base seals they were terrible not even a close fit, the injectors wobbled when in place this would give big vacuum leaks and allow dust and debris down the injector body and into the inlet manifold.

I did not have new seals so done a bodge to prove the injectors are ok, and yes fired up settled to smoother idle and picks up much better and keener to rev.

The vacuum screws were black full of soot makes me think the bike was running too rich?

Also do you need to balance them? I seen some say you use the brass screws the tapered vacuum screws to balance each cylinder? I have a carbtune pro that I can use for this, but where is the best place to attach the vacuum hoses?

The small t-piece that goes to the pressure sensor seems the ideal spot but the spigots on the throttle body are tiny. Where is the best place tp attach the carbtune or is this not needed?


Posted By: Spoonz
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2025 at 17:03
The ecu fuel trimmers take precedent over the bleed screws on the tb’s. You can set the vac ballpark balanced as a start, but once you set the CO via the trimmers, the vac will no longer be balanced.  Set front cylinder to 3.5 and rear to 4%


Posted By: Fazer Fail
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2025 at 22:25
i dont have full workshop equipment so now way of checking the CO and no idea regards the ecu fuel trimmers this all new to me am a carbs bloke!

Is this DIY or proper stuff as the value of the bike is not worth an hour of workshop time if am honest 


Posted By: Spoonz
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2025 at 23:14
You will need someone with take off pipes for the exhaust to isolate each cylinder output and a gas analyser. It’s easy to do if you have the kit, but paying to have it done is cheaper than the kit. Balancing the vac might be a good start and maybe check the current trimmer positions to make sure they are not set at extremes first. 


Posted By: Fazer Fail
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2025 at 18:18
Well had a productive couple of days, back brake the adjuster snapped off when i tried to adjust it and of course being a Falco is its different not a clevis pin like normal! Amazon to rescue for the right angle knuckle joint and B&Q pick n mix for a long M6 shouldered roofing bolt. Realized how much I miss a lathe when wanted to so a simple task put a slight taper and rounded end on a bolt.
Got there after lots of filing working pushrod.
Could not get brakes to bleed previously so added a banjo bleeder to the master cylinder that definitely was helping but still not right. 
By chance noticed the caliper as i pumped the lever it was bulging at the joint and weeping fluid. This was meant to be a new caliper sold with the bike clearly not fitted as no brake line connected. Bolts were tight, yes its a cheap fake replacement but still wtf! Took it apart one of the bolts was cross threaded and not going fully home. Ran a tap down the thread seemed to clean up put a new bolt in and seemed to torque up ok. Had to replace the joint seal as it was no longer flat with the caliper opening at one end it had become like a wedge.
Finally got it all back together adjusted the play out the linkage and a good firm pedal without a silly long throw.

While on a roll swapped the throttle bodies, with yet more fuel (tank seems bottomless) starts and runs way better not going to say smooth well its a v twin after all but idles and takes throttle and revs clean now.

Still need to set the mixture been looking would one of the AFR gauges work for this as long as a wide band sensor should be able to adjust the ecu trim pots or air bleed screws to check the air fuel ratio. I know these gauges are meant to be a permanent fit in a car mostly, but given the Falco has oxygen sensor bungs in the downpipes could i use this to check each cylinder? only issue I can see if the diameter of the bung on the bike seems to be 12mm where as sensors can go up to 18mm?

On a tangent and excuse my ignorance here I get how fuel injected systems work when they have narrow band oxygen sensors, simply reduce or add fueling as per the sensor value. What I don't fully understand is how the system on the Ape works if it does not have an oxygen sensor how does the ecu adjust fueling or is simply a preset map hence the choke (simply applies throttle opening does it not) is needed until the engine warms up.

Then just to bring me back down it starts leaking oil. hope its just the seal at the filter, was holding off changing oil until I do the sprag clutch. Any other obvious place to leak oil had been fine until I started to get the engine back into life, now its doing this in protest lol.

Bobbins just turned up for the abba stand so at least can get it sitting upright when i get the time.



Posted By: redratbike
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2025 at 20:09
Forgot to say

Falco exhaust is dented from new on the stand side 


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Posted By: Fazer Fail
Date Posted: 25 Sep 2025 at 12:30
ah ok thanks for that presume it does not affect the performance then?

slowly gaining knowledge thanks to this great community, it would seem that 2 straight pipes is better than 1?(i know collector mods regain losses)  So for the Falco if i wanted to tune it I have a Pipercross air filter, I ruled out the open airbox as underside of my tank is mess with the foam peeling off and do not want that getting sucked into a filter!
Exhausts are standard , I do like the look of the high level twin can but cost is more than than the bike! unless i can form a DIY bodge some how, but no facility to weld stainless at home. Failing that what about some shorter cans Black Widow offer some ok stuff at reasonable prices, but heard the v twin does not like short pipes? 
It currently has the oem EPROM holding off changing just now in case i do alter the exhausts or would this make no difference?
Much happier with the new throttle bodies and now injector seals and filter baskets have arrived can ensure no vacuum leaks from the injectors at least! 
It starts fine now bar the sprag clutch and seems run much better still some fettling to do tho just finding the time.
Regards the oil leak it on the stator, oil filter and tank side. Hard to pin point as its a slow leak but looks to be in the area of the filter housing, is it common for the o-rings to fail and leak? I have a new o-ring for filter housing and filter. Will be replacing the stator cover gasket when I do the sprag clutch and have seals for the clutch slave cylinder to change also, other seal I seen listed is the gear lever seal the bike has low miles but been left out in the elements and rubber of that era does not take kindly to it.

any advice or experience greatly received 


Posted By: Bingbong
Date Posted: 27 Sep 2025 at 15:54
Thanks for posting this, I can’t be of any help because I am just starting to get to know my Gen 1 Tuono but this helps and I enjoy following your progress. Photos would be great if you get a chance to add a couple. 

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Posted By: Spoonz
Date Posted: 27 Sep 2025 at 16:07
Check the back of the oil tank re the leak. They can crack or rust where the mount is welded on the rear.  Not heard of the filer o ring failing. Maybe it was pinched or something. 


Posted By: Fazer Fail
Date Posted: 28 Sep 2025 at 19:12
cheers will have a better look regards the leak will be draining and removing the oil tank to change the sprag clutch.

Just now been having fun getting the forks off

So far fork pinch bolts only one snapped off in the fork.

Lower yoke one bolt snapped off in the yoke

Mudguard one bolt the head rounded off and as so recessed could not get to it took an age to drill the head off by that time had melted the back of the fixing lug in the plastic mudguard!

Not sure if stanchions are toast a few rust specs appear to not just be surface, ie when i scrape away with a razor blade they are below the surface.

The corrosion on the outer tubes might not be as bad as initially feared have picked away some the flaking surface and wire brushed it back to good shiny alloy.

Got the front wheel off and took the tyre off it had strange wear like flat spots almost? bearings feels good so not touching them but that rules out powder coating and they are a mess same as the forks white powdery corrosion, its all at one point ie where the water has pooled when sat idle for decades. poor thing has been badly neglected big time. 
So unless I take the bearings out looks like a spray can is the only option for the wheels.

Also starting to think its been over on its side and patched back up was no obvious signs ie exhaust cans clean not scratched up, no scuff marks bottom of the forks. body work is poor but looks more like its been in boxes and rattled about  rather than crashed, all the M5 spire or chimney bolts are rusted mess and falling apart.

Things that are not right ball snapped off brake lever - easy done not always sign of something major to be fair.
right side pipe doesn't sit right its like the pillion peg bracket pulls it too far in making it point inwards, or the lower pipe not sitting right.
right side bar (clip on) was slightly pushed in compared to other side, but seen when i took the forks off they can sit any old angle.
The clocks don't sit straight, looks like its not sitting square in the bracket or the bracket is bent?
No bar ends but both missing including the threaded inserts 
Front mudguard has been repaired at one point signs of a crack externally and signs of a previous repair internally.
Only one mirrors in the box of parts.

Either its been a static fall or someone has repaired it, as no damage to rear brake lever or foot peg and the fairings do not have the mounting lugs snapped off that usually see when sliding down the road. Also no obvious scrape marks to the engine casings.

 As ever with this bike gives with one hand slaps you down with another.

Too be honest too embarrassed to post any pics of it in this condition, once its not quite as crappy looking will post something   


Posted By: Fazer Fail
Date Posted: 28 Sep 2025 at 19:13
what would you like to see the UK climate has been very unkind to this bike hopefully something the warmer and drier climate in Portugal has saved your bike from.



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