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    Posted: 02 Jun 2021 at 12:31
My bike sits pretty high these days. I've got the shock running as long as it will go without hitting the dogbone at full extension. Can't remember the numbers but think it equated to about 15mm extra rear ride height. I've got a 180/60 rear tyre, which adds another 8mm to the rear. To balance out the extra 23mm at the back I've raised the front end about 8mm, from 4 lines to only 2. And actually thinking in my lunch break I'm going to raise to flush to test that out next ride.

The tiny little stand the bike came with is now so short that the bike is practically elbow down when parked. I looked into the various sidestand options but they all looked very expensive and time intensive to source for what is really a pretty simple problem. It's just a bit short isn't it. Stable other than that, even if it doesn't stick out as far as the US one does.

So, the solution. I had a spare GoPro mount. Well not even a GoPro mount but a mount for a Sony action camera. I stuck this on the bottom of the stand and there you go 👍







I'm offering this solution patent free for all to take advantage of! You are welcome.
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The simplest solutions are often the best!
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Job done Clap
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Was hoping to get a bite from Ray haha. The beauty of this upgrade is it's easily reversible. Just snip off the lockwire and it's gone.
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To be fair it's a quite elegant solution,in a steampunk sort of way Clap

I just welded a large washer to the bottom of my aftermarket stand.

Now I have the Mille back in use I refitted it's stand from the temporary home on the Tuono and found extra stability by removing the free play in the fork end.

Simply spending some time with a sharp file enabled me to fit a modified penny washer into the clevis and totally eliminating any slop.

Next thing to do is modify the standard gen 2 Tuono leg to the same profile,I've already cut and re angled the leg and reinforced it,now just need to get it back on it's wheels to check how much longer it needs to be.


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Well if I had a welding rig and knew how to use it I'd have probably done the same Ian. My first thoughts were drilling and bolting something to it. A friend told me about these feet you can get. But they all looked so tacky (unlike my gopro mount 😂) and didn't seem to add any height. Which is what I was after to adjust the angle it was leaning. 

I went looking through my garage for suitable bits of metal, slightly annoyed with myself for chucking out a load of spent brake pads the week before. But everything I could think of was quite heavy too. I'm not so fussed about weight as the Mille is a heavy old beast. More concerned about the pendulum effect from having a heavy weight dangling off the end of the stand. Potentially causing it to drop the stand by accident. No chance of that with the flimsy little plastic mount. I'm actually surprised how strong it is for how light and flimsy it looks.
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And easily replaceable and adjustable if need be which is something I can't do after welding.

I say welding,but actually it's more like sticking bits of metal together with red hot splatters Embarrassed

I've just treated myself to a new MIG welder to make things easier than the old stick welder I used for the stand originally but it's still an uphill learning curve,I have great respect for proper welders.
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Yeah the little I know about welding is enough to tell me there is a lot I don't know. 
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Originally posted by blacklines blacklines wrote:

Yeah the little I know about welding is enough to tell me there is a lot I don't know. 
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Thought I'd revive this thread from the past as I recently found myself finishing my Gen2 Tuono refurb and after getting used to my aftermarket stand on the Mille I was less than impressed by the OE Tuono unit.

I haven't bothered checking part No's but a 2008 model T seems to use the same short,soft stand ( RS125?) that the Mille came with.

Being somewhat tight I decided to fix this as cheaply as possible LOL

Firstly the fork in the end had worn so I cleaned that out parallel with a sharp file to + 1.5mm or so to accept a large,stainless penny washer which returned the stand to a close slide fit on the mounting plate ( new fulcrum pin on order)

Next I cut a V in the leg close under the fork end and bent the two concentric tubes the leg comprised of outwards by quite a way and then practiced my meager welding skills to reinforce the new joint.

Next step was to cut the leg in half under the pin the springs hook to, then I found a long HT bolt that I could cut the head off which I then drove the shank up into the top half of the stand. This was then tacked into place and the protruding shank then heated and bent downwards somewhat to suit.

The lower half of the original leg then had a large,extended nut fitted into the cut end and welded into place, this then only needed another nut threaded to the bolt projecting from the top half of the arm acting as a locknut to create an adjustable length stand with a wide footprint. There is about 2" of threaded bolt projecting down into the lower leg which closely fits into the inner tube providing even more support and rigidity.

I did form weld over the exposed bolt shank to strengthen it and return the profile to something more normal then quickly dipped the whole thing in a tin of smooth Hammerite before fitting ready for the Mot next day.

I have to say the stand performs incredibly well,the two testers were a bit concerned before they leant the bike over against the stand for wheel testing but they both commented about the rigidity and lack of movement afterwards.








It may look a bit Heath Robinson but it certainly works very well.

All I need to do now is tidy the form up,repaint it properly and fit the new fulcrum pin when it arrives and I have a free,adjustable to any needed length,stable stand that is stronger by far than the parent unit due to the external welded reinforcements and the welded internal HT bolt.   Also the now precision fit of the clevis fork removes any slop at source. 



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Nice bit of fabbing there Ian Big smile Thumbs Up Thumbs Up
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Thanks Rick Beer

 Expediency in it's purest form

I'd booked an Mot and forgotten about the crap stand so just broke out the angle grinder and the welder rather than take the aftermarket one off the Mille again.

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Ha yeah from that angle I'd have been concerned squatting to the left of the bike like that. But obviously it's solid, even if it looks like it's in the process of buckling. 

Nice work Ian. I think this is the Heath Robinson of sidestand threads so you picked the right place to show it. 

As an update myself, I actually sold this bike to Adam a while back and he sold it on. But before that I actually scrapped the go pro mount foot. I changed the geometry to be lower at the rear and higher at the front. 

Excessive rear ride height - though recommended years ago for these bikes - was I think more useful on the old tyres. On a 180/60 it is just overkill. On rear facing camera I was seeing black lines going down for no good reason and also more wagging on the brakes than it needed to. I put it back to stock (might have even been a touch lower) and found with the taller tyre it still drove a nice tight line on exit without wallowing wide. I raised the forks too as I preferred a slightly heavier steering with more grip and feedback through the clipons.

Basically after these changes the bike was back to more or less standard ride height and the side stand was then the right length again. I had no issues myself with the stand as it was. I think I only had a problem before because I'd jacked up the rear end.
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Originally posted by IanG IanG wrote:

Being somewhat tight I decided to fix this as cheaply as possible 


I've been waiting to see some of your precision engineering for a long time!  LOL
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Originally posted by legend88 legend88 wrote:

Originally posted by IanG IanG wrote:

Being somewhat tight I decided to fix this as cheaply as possible 


I've been waiting to see some of your precision engineering for a long time!  LOL

I can't believe it's taken you this long to comment Ray!
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Originally posted by badapple badapple wrote:

I can't believe it's taken you this long to comment Ray!

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Originally posted by legend88 legend88 wrote:

Originally posted by badapple badapple wrote:

I can't believe it's taken you this long to comment Ray!

Been busy Adam!

You must be to miss your favourite topic LOL
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Ian your garage floor looks like the surface of the moon Tongue

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Moonscape !!   You should try moving the Skylift when the Tuono is is raised up high Confused

This T is on standard ride height as I don't think the oe Sach's unit is length adjustable?  Just a 190/55 S22.

Once the new pivot pin arrives I'll dress the thing up and paint it properly,this was purely a quick fix for the mot but I have to say it's the sturdiest stand I can ever recall using on a bike,the footprint is nice and wide,far more stable.
 and there is a sound reason for every bend in it. Wink

On the raising the rear ride height issue,I think it may be not always wise move,could be better to keep the rear lowish and more weight on it?

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Nice job ian Thumbs Up
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Nice couple layers of paint and the stand will look grand !
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