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Shyted 
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 Posted: 30 Nov 2015 at 17:14 |
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Oh here we go ! Read this thread and think it's a brill idea.
I have been thinking all sorts about my gen 2 and the engines i have ,and it's interesting to read how to get the best motor from combining a 1 and 2 . Now seriously thinking of getting rid of my ZRX1100 and spending the cash on doing the same . So whats the best Gen 1 engine to start with? Common sense says the last model year but don't know if that would be right or not,any comments please knowledgeable ones out there. Ted |
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I used to be uncertain , but now i'm not sure anymore
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redratbike
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Posted: 30 Nov 2015 at 18:45 |
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Shyted
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Posted: 01 Dec 2015 at 09:04 |
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thank's Ratters.
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I used to be uncertain , but now i'm not sure anymore
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Posted: 01 Dec 2015 at 10:14 |
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Valve sizes through the years..... .......... Inlet Exhaust 1998-99 36 31 2000 36 31 2001-02 38 31 2003 38 31 2004-05 38 31 2006 on 38 33 |
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cheesy
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Posted: 02 Dec 2015 at 16:23 |
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That's one big bore motor built and residing home.
Great work and attention to detail with the modifications within head. Now just to get it fitted and see what beast lays within |
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Posted: 02 Dec 2015 at 16:37 |
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Posted: 02 Dec 2015 at 16:54 |
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That sounds like its going to be a beast !!!
Ian...is it just the heads or the barrels and pistons too that you need off the gen2 to go on the gen1 bottom end?
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Posted: 02 Dec 2015 at 21:20 |
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I'm pretty sure the barrels and pistons are interchangeable,I just happened to acquire a some of each as they were available. I think if you fit the later rods you need to also fit the later spray bars though.
The strange thing is I know more than a few people who used to have gen1 Milles and upgraded to the gen2 and found didn't like the way they made their power as it was more top endy and seemed to lose out on low down grunt.  It does seem to be the way to go with bigger bores though. |
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Posted: 04 Jan 2016 at 22:26 |
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i'm now on my shut down from work after christmas which is by far the crazyist month of the yr for me
Now spending some quality time with my girlfriend & me son whos now just 3 weeks old In the next few weeks i'm gonna get the engine swapped over. I've ordered my chip from Gabro & have the daughterboard ready to fit Picked up a set of Arrow Cans to Match the headers but i now have 4 sets of cans to start with Cored Standards, Arrows, Quills & Promotive Titainuims........ Got a set of Gen2 Tb's now as better spray pattern for the big bore over the Gen CER 57's i Have fitted Currently.. Am switching to Gen2 Rad & Oil Coollers so i had to find a Bellypan.. Carbon Fibre Factory one Purchased So one of my favorite parts from the gen1, the Full lenght bellypan will be tucked away no doubt cant wait to get started & finished.....
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redratbike
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Posted: 04 Jan 2016 at 22:29 |
Sounds like the bike will be pretty special  So do I bin the CER 57's I have for the gen2 57's then for the 1060...does it make that much of a difference? |
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Posted: 04 Jan 2016 at 22:45 |
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Cheers Mark
I hope so...i know it'll be unique I asked Gabro.... Gen2's have better attomization & flow rate with better throttle response but a little tricky to tune on idle. The Best Choice But can still use the Cer's With doing all this i'll just mae sure that every detail and extra compliments everyone in one hit fella
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Posted: 04 Jan 2016 at 22:46 |
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Sounds good to me
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Posted: 05 Jan 2016 at 09:33 |
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Following this with great interest Cheesy. I am hoping to go BB next winter. Though mine will just be a plain old gen 1 BB with gen 2 (06 on) heads. If any one has any CER 57's they are selling, I'd be interested so I can run them before the BB. I have 54's at the mo and hope to be on the dyno in a couple of months for a custom map.
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Posted: 05 Jan 2016 at 10:58 |
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I have gen2 throttle boddies spare £100 delivered to mainland uk mate if that helps?
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current;2001mille,2003R,2003Eddy,2012Tuono. Previous RS250,2006Factory,2001mille,2001R and 2x2002mille
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Posted: 05 Jan 2016 at 21:29 |
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Hi Mixdrive, thanks for the offer. I was specifically looking for the Edwards with the green injectors to run this summer before the big bore next winter, because I can just chuck them on and set up on the dyno with the other mods and have a custom map...
However, thinking on... As Cheesy says the gen 2 ones have better spray pattern etc and I will want those TB's when big bored! If I ran those on mine at the mo I need to get the adapter plugs etc for the injectors and blank off something and put on the idle stuff from my TB's, unless your already running them on gen 1? Hmmm give us this evening to mull it over, I've spent so much on the bike these last 2 months- it's unreal!! I've just bought some 51's bored out to 54mm as well! Lol!  Can I say a provisional yes? And PM you later to definitely confirm?  |
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Posted: 05 Jan 2016 at 22:25 |
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They're not advertised for sale fella so no problem at all...These are straight off a gen2 so yes you would need to buy as far as i'm aware the connectors and 57mm velocity stacks and assuming file your gen1 airbox to suit.....I don't honestly know though mate about fitting....I bought these for my track project but then bought an already modded track bike.....I haven't had the tank off on that yet but from what he said he just cut the connectors off and hard wired them in along with gen1 pc3 usb which obviously also has different connectors as you'd need a gen2 pc3....Hope that helps mate
 lol No worries if you do decide to go gen2 57 throttle bodies and can't find any cheaper just let me know fella
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current;2001mille,2003R,2003Eddy,2012Tuono. Previous RS250,2006Factory,2001mille,2001R and 2x2002mille
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Posted: 06 Jan 2016 at 23:09 |
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Picked all the parts up from me folks that got delivered there
Off to see PaulW on friday for a few more bits i wanna get shall soon have everything in one place.
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Posted: 07 Jan 2016 at 08:02 |
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gettin excitin now aint it
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ive just got my first vtwin and i think i got the right one
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Posted: 07 Jan 2016 at 09:14 |
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Well done Cheesy, following this with great interest as I have a set of Arrow headers (to go with my cans) and a PC V to pass to Griff when I go 1060 on my Gen2.
Hopefully all the bits and cash will be in place for the end of the month to make an appointment with the Grifster
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Posted: 07 Jan 2016 at 09:16 |
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Griff was also recommending the airbox replacement kit as the final icing on the cake, but I am concerned that this will breath messy oil fumes over the bike?
Can anyone confirm or deny my fears?
If they do I will pass I think but do love a bit of induction noise |
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Posted: 07 Jan 2016 at 12:38 |
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Posted: 20 Jan 2016 at 21:26 |
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hoping to get started tomorrow swapping out the engines
My chip from Gabro is on its way Has 2 different maps with different advance on each Picked up a new ebc clutch plate & spring kit incase Carbon Front Mudguard tempted with going slipper clutch as can get a new one less than £600 new this month only
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Posted: 20 Jan 2016 at 22:27 |
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Where are the slipper clutches for sale Chris??LL.
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Posted: 20 Jan 2016 at 23:10 |
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Its a sigma £591.60
Pakkit Racing
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Posted: 21 Jan 2016 at 00:02 |
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Absolute must Chris, best mod on my track bike.
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Posted: 21 Jan 2016 at 07:34 |
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Posted: 10 Feb 2016 at 21:16 |
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Well old engine is out of the Tuono.
New engine has had.. Flywheel, stator & outer case swapped over to Gen1. New mag oil drain New clutch jet New oil filter & plugs 3way outlet & temp sensor swapped Just gotta pull old clutch plates & springs for the new Ebc items Then we're good to refit |
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Posted: 10 Feb 2016 at 21:37 |
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Posted: 07 May 2016 at 20:42 |
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Just thought I'd revieve this thread as been stationary for a while.
Now I'm on the mend as soon as I can get in the shed I'll be back on the case |
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Posted: 07 May 2016 at 20:50 |
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You and me both
As I've been sat here I think I have everything bar 2 brackets I need to make |
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