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    Posted: 20 Mar 2013 at 21:49
Checked mine today after hearing Chaz's story..







What parts do I need?

Ideally need them by friday
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Just looks like the rollers have come out.  Take them all out, inspect for rust, clean, re grease and put back in.
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The shock linkage has been damaged? And the seals are wonky?

Doesn't it mean they are shot?

Are they meant to fall out and why has the linkage been damaged?
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You have had a side plate issues hitting the dogbone also.

Mine did that and wore 2mm into the side plates. Having seen what happened in NZ on Af1 i wasn't taking any chances.
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What happened and what did you do to resolve it mate?
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Originally posted by w00dzy w00dzy wrote:

What happened and what did you do to resolve it mate?

Got some solid link plates from Af1 so there was more material and got some thin telflon washers made that sit between the plate and dogbone to stop metal to metal contact.

Garin had the same issue and Aprilia replaced it all but he went with new plates and washers also to be safe.

The NZ crash pics are on here somewhere still i think.  He had no bearing issues, bike not very old at the time
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Think I found it..

http://www.apriliaforum.com/forums/showthread.php?74529-Weak-link-plates-rear-suspension&highlight=dog+bones

Might have to do the same mate cheers..

I'm going to remove the needles, clean them up and reassemble then check it at the end of the year and make a decision.
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Originally posted by w00dzy w00dzy wrote:

Think I found it..

http://www.apriliaforum.com/forums/showthread.php?74529-Weak-link-plates-rear-suspension&highlight=dog+bones

Might have to do the same mate cheers..

I'm going to remove the needles, clean them up and reassemble then check it at the end of the year and make a decision.

That's a different one in Sweden

Scott2ride is the guy in NZ who crashed sued Aprilia. He posted details on here somewhere but part of the "settlement" was non disclosure so specific details not made public.

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This was Scott's post

 
For your information it IS the Linkage that is broken. And in case you are in any doubt, yes, Im angry� I could have died in my accident and by the grace of god I hit nothing.
Craig was not so lucky and he and his family may have to pay the ultimate price. This need not happen to any of you and may possibly have been able to be avoided for Craig. So DO get new links for your bikes.
I talked with Craig's brother Dave this morning and unfortunately things have not really improved for Craig. He is still in a coma and is still unresponsive. It seems that if the doctors have not had any positive signs within six weeks they will be turning the life-support off. As you can appreciate this is extremely upsetting for his family and friends.
I also just got off the phone with Peter Bridge, the Senior Investigator for the Police with the Central Serious Crash Investigations Unit. He said it IS the linkage that is broken on Craigs bike.
He also made it clear he needs to complete his investigation before he can really comment as to whether the linkage broke and caused the crash, or broke during the crash. However� what he did say is that the curve is an easy one and he could personally very easily take it at 100kph (the open road limit here) on his old 1987 Honda Boldor and that he does not see any reason why Craig would not have taken the curve very easily on his late model, high spec, RSV.
So here is some info on the crash and the crash scene that you may find interesting. It was at 7 p.m. and Craig was riding alone. It is Summer here and broad daylight at 7 p.m. It is a gentle curve and could easily be taken on the RSV at 180 kph. Craig's speed was estimated by the police senior crash investigator at BELOW 100 Kph.
This added to their uncertainty as to how he could have crashed. (Note: Craig is a competent rider). The police investigator owns a 1987 Honda Bolder and he said he that even on THAT bike he could very easily take the corner at the open road maximum limit of 100KPH, and that doing it on bikes such as the RSV would be very easy.
There did not appear to be any gravel, sand or anything else on the road that would cause a rider to fall.
Craig and his bike left the road at the very start of the corner right at the point where you would just be turning into the curve. In other words, his bike has gone straight ahead just at the entry to the curve. (Craig is an experienced rider and would easily have turned into the curve at that speed) There are no brake marks or indication that he was breaking hard or speeding coming into the corner. Interestingly, where the bike has left the road Dave said there were two tyre marks in the gravel. One for the front tyre and the other for the rear tyre. They were apart from each other and it looked like a sideways slide. Apparently it looks like the bike has gone off the road while still upright but while sliding sideways and somewhat askew.
This seems important to me because when the linkage broke on my bike I was just entering a curve and without warning the rear of the bike felt like it dropped downwards and the bike simply slipped out from under me with the rear spinning around to meet the front. Basically, it was a sort of uncontrollable low side. I had no rear wheel lock-up to speak of. So Craig's accident sounds remarkably similar to mine.
Craig's bike appears to have no frontal impact. Just major impacts to the rear. It looks as though the bike has come off the road sideways and gone rear end first into the fence line.
As you may have seen in the photos of the damage to my bike in other threads, it looks as if my bike has had a frontal impact. In actual fact it did not have a frontal impact, and no rear impact either for that matter. The crash scene investigator (employed by Aprilia NZ) reconstructed the accident and concluded that my bike simply did a soft low side and spun around, and once it had reached the grass verge it slid backwards for a few meters on its side. This was how I saw it happen as well.
Then he said that as the bike slid backwards the grass caught on the upper fairing screen and simply tore the fairing forward off the front of the bike.) Back to the linkage issue... In the case of my broken Linkage, the linkage has been checked by a Crash Investigator that was employed by Aprilia. It was also looked at by a Metallurgist. It has been agreed that it definitely broke while riding and that the linkage breaking is what caused the crash. There was absolutely no evidence to suggest any prior impacts to the rear wheel, tire or suspension could have caused it.
A full metal analysis still needs to be completed to find out WHY it failed. But the fact remains that it DID fail. An isolated manufacturing fault? An under engineered part? Bad design? A one off problem? No problem at all?
We need to wait some time to find out what Aprilia has to say.
But in the mean time I also urge you to get a replacement linkage for some piece of mind. It is cheap insurance. And I know Aprilia and also the Lawyers representing the NZ distributor for Aprilia will be reading this post and that it will not be doing me any favours� but if the link plates turn out to be a problem and if this info saves one life it is bloody worth it. My personal belief is that the new part is slightly under engineered.
This is backed up by the fact that there do not seem to be any failures of the pre 2004 part which is stronger, yet there have been several reported failures for the new 'lighter' post 2004+ part. So� is the linkage at fault or not???? Evidence now suggests it IS at fault! In my case it is proven that the link failed and that caused the crash. (Testing may find a fault with the metal. If not lets hope they re-engineer the part stronger)
In the case of SWZ24 on the forum (Sjoerd from the Netherlands) the crash report on his bike states that his linkage also failed while riding. Interestingly, his investigation was commissioned and paid for by Aprilia Italy, and mine was commissioned and paid for by Aprilia in NZ. Here is a quote from page 3 of the report from Sjoerds crash. It says in the intro on page 3, �Due to failure of this suspension, which is being accomplished by two connecting rods in pair, as shown in the appendices of this report, an accident had occurred. According to information received, the incident occurred in a gentle curve, at a speed of approximately 80 km/h, and in dry weather (on a dry road).� So in Sjoerd's case there were witnesses, plus Aprilias independently undertaken investigation (including testing of the linkage).
As mentioned, that report confirmed that the link failed as he rode the bike and it caused a crash. Why did it fail? The metal testing concluded the linkage failed as the loading on it was too great. They could not explain why. And there were no pre-existing faults or damage found with the bike, linkage or wheels etc. I have read the report extensively.
In the case of ZejtaN (Ted) from Sweden, his catastrophic linkage failure has also been proven to be as he rode along, minding his own business. He was going along a straight piece of road in August 2006...and bang... on his ass and in a coma for 2 days, multiple breaks and a fairly long hospital stay. In Teds case he had several witnesses, including people in a car he had just passed, and they all said the rear of the bike collapsed and locked up causing the crash.
The accident report and all the photo & direct evidence also reflect this. So that�s 3 proven to be the link failing during the normal course of a ride! Several other linkages that we know of have been found broken after crashes. But we dont know enough about them to make comments.
And then there is Craigs accident, from which he is unlikely to survive... It does not matter that there have not been 10 or 20 reported failures. Aprilia needs to act on this now. Moreover, who's to say that the problem is not considerably more widespread than we think? Let's face it, there are a lot of Aprilias out there and only a small proportion of them will be aware of any possible issue with link plates. Most riders will have no idea. So it begs the question, how many have had accidents on their bikes because their linkage failed but they are just unaware of the cause? The majority of accidents would have been dealt with by the insurance companies and the riders would never have known if the accident was caused by a broken linkage or not.
They would simply get paid out and be none the wiser. The insurance assessors certainly wouldn�t know. They are paid to check and price up the damage, not determine the cause of the crash. Determining the cause only happens in serious accidents with serious personal injuries or death and doesn't involve the loss assessor. And in the case of bike accidents you can bet many simply get put down to speed and not looked at as closely as maybe they should have.
In fact it would be fair to say that the only reason I noticed the linkage broken on mine was because the bike was put up on a trailer and the linkage was fully exposed to me. Plus I had already been made aware of a possible Linkage problem, so when I saw the broken link it registered with me that it may have caused the crash. But had I not been aware of the issue I would more than likely have overlooked the broken link and assumed it was just crash damage. As it turned out, it wasn't!.
On a positive note, you will be pleased to know that Aprilia Italy will have my plates for testing very soon and I hope they are taking this seriously as I expect they want to know whats happening just as much as we do.
With luck they will also have Craigs plates to test as well. Once again, I want to reiterate that nobody yet knows what caused the plates to fail on mine, Teds or Sjoerd�s bikes. But the fact remains... they DID fail.
We also know there have been other broken plates with no real answers provided... but no real investigations done either... We also know that there may be other link failures that have gone undetected... We also know that if it does happen to you, it could be fatal.
There is enough evidence to suggest a pattern. So get some replacement link plates as insurance. It's not worth the gamble! Aprilia may now be sorting it with some degree of urgency, but you cant afford to wait
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Blimey..

I want some stronger plates!!

For now just need one seal. The needle bearings have cleaned up well.
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Amazing!  I didn't see the damage on the dog bone!  Must be working too hard ;) 
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I got better seals from an online store .... simply bearings .... Cheaper and quicker to get ... They don't do the roller bearings though
I replaced my side plates with stainless steel ones years ago and every year strip clean and regrease the bearings
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Dont supose you know the size? Im out on the road now..
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Bearings you will need:

6 x HK1812 drawn cup needle bearing currently 2.37 + vat ea
6 x nitrile seal 18x24x3 currently 1.89 + vat ea

Go to www.simplybearings.co.uk, put those numbers above in.  They have been brilliant for me since I started using them in 2008.  Pay with paypal, next day delivery in most cases even when I select within 5 days super saver.

With the linkage, you have 2 pairs of the HK1812 inserted.  The other 2 go into the swing arm...have a look.

Use the Nitrile seals, these are better than the aprilia stock seals.

Use marine wheel bearing grease for trailers.  It wont wash out.

If you need to replace the inner roller (piston pin), the 36mm tube that sits in the bearing...3 of, try to clean up first, if rough, you have to replace.  Sadly this is Aprilia only and will set you back about a tenner plus vat: Item 5 (AP8146518)

https://www.apriliayorkshire.co.uk/catalogue/partlist.jsp?Catalogo=%3D3974&Tavola=%3D16&_NomeImmagine=64219749.gif&_bikename=RSV%201000%202004-2008&_pagename=Connecting%20rod%20-%20rear%20shock%20abs.

When you put it back together, with the pins in and the linkplates all on you will notice a gap between the plate and the dogbone.  Get down to B&Q and buy some thin PTFE washers that can sit in this gap and around the piston pin, ensure the pin still butts up tight against the plates.  The PTFE helps keep crap out, stops the bone rubbing the plate too.

If your worried about strength of plates, you can either replace with AF1 plates, or buy another pair of aprilia ones, get 10mm longer bolts (x 3) and just double up the plates so your running with 4, not 2.  I've done this for a friend and there is enough clearance down there to double up the plates.  Try to get quality bolts though....nothing soft.  I suspect fractured plates were due to badly seized bearings gripping the piston pot tight and forcing the plates to twist as the suspension went up and down, fracturing the plates at the mount points.  I think the plates are ok as long as they dont rub on the bone and the piston pots do not seize into the bearings.

Getting the bearings out requires a big hammer, a socket and a blow torch.  They should knock out easy enough looking at you pics, but believe it or not, those exact dogbone, piston pin and linkplates are used on Pegaso Stradas too, I have one and just stripped down that linkage.  Bearings were a pig to get out of the bone.

Anyway.  Do use the marine grease, not the normal stuff.  On my RSV I changed the bearings at 18K miles (they were shot) then checked again at 36K miles (in perfect condition, still well greased), then I replaced them again at 48K miles as had swingarm bearing issues....changed the lot whilst I was there.  I didn't 'really' need to do the dog bone again, but I did....marine grease and the ptfe washers do the trick.

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Dont worry about those scuffs on the bone, they all do that.  Your bone is in really good condition...you should of seen the one I took of the Pegaso last weekend.  I had to frapper it to death to clean all the corrosion off, it was so bad....its off getting powder coated at the mo, along with the swing arm.

One more thing I forgot to mention....as someone else will.  The needle bearing replacement will be caged, it will have less rollers in it.  The one you take out of your bone is an aprilia item (ducati too) that has no cage and more rollers....packed in like sardines.  The argument is about load spreading....but really its just a bit of blah blah, it doesn't really matter.

In my experience (3 sets of bearings, 7 years ownership and 46K ridden miles, touring and track days and even a commute this morning!) it matters not one little bit that you have less rollers...in fact when you go to regrease them, in a couple of years time, the rollers wont fall out!

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The HK1812 bearings are not exactly the same as they have a cage to hold the needles ... The aprilia bearing doesn't and it has more rollers
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BB1000, yup, but it doesn't matter, it really doesn't.  On my second set now, and I didn't need to replace them either, I just did as I was doing a complete overhaul of the swingarm.

Woodzy, if that does matter to you then the only place to get replacements is Aprilia or ducati.  At nearly £8 each plus vat, and a waiting time of weeks, I know what I would do!

I have a rule of thumb with bearings...apart from play...if I see even a small trace amount of brown I replace.  It means they have corroded and they are shot, even a little bit...once it starts, thats that.  Wodzys bearings have that brown tell tail, and quite bad too....they would already be in the bin if I had it!
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What's the actual problem here and is it MY specific?  Just wanting to know whether it's on 04/5 bikes only for example, or every Gen2 RSV's and Tuono ever made?
 
Reading the various threads it's either being blamed on poor design/load calculations and the part is too small to cope, or it's the bearings/bolts/dogbones binding and creating excessive forces it was never designed to withstand.  It seems a much bigger job to fix than I can cope or are comfortable with doing.  I've got an 07 BTW.
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Originally posted by BB1000 BB1000 wrote:

I got better seals from an online store .... simply bearings .... Cheaper and quicker to get ... They don't do the roller bearings though
I replaced my side plates with stainless steel ones years ago and every year strip clean and regrease the bearings
 
Simply Bearing not only do the seals but can supply a caged roller bearing of the same dimensions, I've had a set in mine, as well as fitting them in a few mates bikes, for over 2 years with no problems.
 
This topic seems to turn up every year or two, do a search on all the forums, here, Griffs old site, AF1 and the zone and it's all there.
 
AF1 plates where originaly made by Acculign but looking on their web site now it would seem they are getting them from another supplier as they appear to be just straight plates with none of the finishing present. Years ago I did a group buy from AF1 and imported 8 sets but saved very little as I got stung with customs and import tax. The last time this subject came up I was asked by a few of the Northern possie if any alternative plates could be made up in this country and IanG (hello Ian) and I had a discusion but there was a question mark over liability and we thought better of it. However I went ahead and had two sets of plates made up and have had them fitted to my own bike for about a year with no problems. It must be said that replacing the plates with any alternatives does not take away the need for regular maintenance on the dog bone needle rollers which should be done at least once a year.
On the original Aprillia plates (Gen 2) it would seem that the problem would be that the rear vertical leg of the triangular plate has been machined with a leg that is ridiculously far too thin for purpose as all the up and down stress goes through this part of the plate. As I pointed out to Dave (Kawasakiinit) look at any parts microfiche of the suspension for the Gen2 and it shows the thin leg running at the top of the plate, possible cockup in the machine shop ?????
The one's I have had made are a cross of the AF1 plates and the MPL one's as fitted to Badger's bike, pic on the forum somewhere. Mine are made from T6082 T6 alloy, strongest alloy in the "6 group of alloys", which supersedes T6061 that the AF1 plates are made from. Will post a pic when I get home but here is an old one showing a standard plate against an original AF1.
 
 
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Originally posted by tapmyhed tapmyhed wrote:

Dont worry about those scuffs on the bone, they all do that.  Your bone is in really good condition...you should of seen the one I took of the Pegaso last weekend.  I had to frapper it to death to clean all the corrosion off, it was so bad....its off getting powder coated at the mo, along with the swing arm.

 
The bone is not the issue as there is loads of meat it's the side plates. They are 8mm thick ish and mine had worn away against the bone to a 2mm depth.

That's 1/4 of total width gone Shocked

personal choice but for a £25 plate i wasn't gonna take the chance

Si600 - results of lawsuit and Aprilia investigation not in public domain although some details were made known from Scott privately. I have not persoanlly heard of a failure at all beyond an 07 bike or before an 05 bike.  Whether you can read anything into that is just conjecture. 

Regular inspection of plates and bearings is a good idea if nothing else.
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The link plates Spooky mentions on Badgers bike I got from Konstantin at Smaltmoto who had them made for his race team bikes by MPL. 

He may have some more if anyone wants to ask him but i have a feeling I cleared him out in the group buy.

Lucky old Garin had my Titanium ones that Chris Kruzel had made in the US. Made by an f14 engineer out of the highest grade Ti. They were a work of art.
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I think the general concensus has to be good maintenace.

Si, its not as difficult as you might think, you just need a way to support the back of the bike that isn't through the swingarm....I use axle stands under the frame on the down pillars (holds the swing arm pivot bolt).

If your near Griff, give him a call....but looking after the linkage has really go to be at least a 2 yearly thing for casual riders and annual if your all weather....like me.

Alternative plates can be bought, including a bone from spoon valley racing:

http://www.spoonvalleyracing.com/suspension.html

A bit expensive, and mainly for the trackers on here.....just another option.
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Found this:

http://shop.marksman-ind.com/aprilia-rsv-tuono-2006-2009-suspension-linkage-bearing-kit-10306-p.asp

Full linkage bearing kit. £58 plus vat.....again a bit pricey.
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Originally posted by tapmyhed tapmyhed wrote:

Si, its not as difficult as you might think, you just need a way to support the back of the bike that isn't through the swingarm....I use axle stands under the frame on the down pillars (holds the swing arm pivot bolt).
 
I've got an Abba stand and the rear wheel needs to come out anyway to get a new tyre on it...  I'm just worried that I'll f' it up getting the bearings out and then mess the new ones up putting them in.  Undoing the bolts and covering the world in grease is the easy part
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Hello, Just wanna be clear, is this a Gen2 problem, i have a Gen1 and if that has it as well i better check it out
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Originally posted by jimgreg jimgreg wrote:

Hello, Just wanna be clear, is this a Gen2 problem, i have a Gen1 and if that has it as well i better check it out
Yeah a Gen 2 issue for the link plates but knacked bearings is an issue on both.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote IanG Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Mar 2013 at 19:17
This comes up regular as clockwork doesn't it (Hello Kev,how's things?)

Perhaps I should look into doing a run of these and selling them as " experimental use" or something.

The reason I backed out before was due to the potential for someone to somehow fit the things wrongly or screw up in some way and come chasing me for compensation.

I still have all the dxf's etc you sent me from years back Spoonz,actually I come across my proposed version whilst looking for something else yesterday night.

Seeing as these bikes are obsolete now would it be worth the effort making a small batch run,I would probably think about 30 sets would be an economical target.

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Think if these had a boss at each of the bearing points to stop it rubbing on the dogbone you could be on a winner
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Originally posted by davidrsurfer davidrsurfer wrote:

Think if these had a boss at each of the bearing points to stop it rubbing on the dogbone you could be on a winner
 
Thas a good idea .... make them like that and i'll have a set for sure
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The marksman kit has all you need including the pins . Best way to get them out is a length of threaded rod and sockets . Use this to pull the bearings out the arm and it will also put them back in . I put grease nipples in as well so greasing it easy
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