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    Posted: 20 Oct 2021 at 18:49
Just watched some advert on tv about how your home heating is probably your biggest contributor to your carbon footprint.

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Mmmm. Not so sure.
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Unless you're using them simultaneously I don't think the total number of petrol-powered items is what counts!

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I wouldn’t worry about your home heating, the millions of electric cars etc they’re going to build and all the infrastructure will offset it, oh hang on!
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What UK attempts to put right over the following decades will be a spit in the ocean compared to the sh*t just China alone will continue to pollute the planet with.
We're all f**ked; personally, in my 60s, I intend to enjoy the internal combustion engine while I can still afford petrol.
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Not to mention the agriculture! I'm a butchers son and by no means a veggie loving hippie but the bottom line is as said above we are f**ked and it's because there's just too many people for the planet to deal with and all these measures just gloss over that fact. 
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Originally posted by Stevex Stevex wrote:

What UK attempts to put right over the following decades will be a spit in the ocean compared to the sh*t just China alone will continue to pollute the planet with.
We're all f**ked; personally, in my 60s, I intend to enjoy the internal combustion engine while I can still afford petrol.


My thoughts exactly Clap

The UK could totally go back to walking and living in unheated caves and it wouldn't make any difference at all to the greater scheme of things.
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Originally posted by IanG IanG wrote:

Originally posted by Stevex Stevex wrote:

What UK attempts to put right over the following decades will be a spit in the ocean compared to the sh*t just China alone will continue to pollute the planet with.
We're all f**ked; personally, in my 60s, I intend to enjoy the internal combustion engine while I can still afford petrol.


My thoughts exactly Clap

The UK could totally go back to walking and living in unheated caves and it wouldn't make any difference at all to the greater scheme of things.
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We're not negligible either though in our impact.  


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Take the top 7 out of the equation and things would look a lot better.
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All this fascination with electric cars and yet we’ve got hundreds of thousands of hgv’s driving all across Europe to get here when there’s electric rail that could be used to deliver the goods to localised distribution centres which in turn would help free up the roads so traffic could flow better and cut emissions. The carriages could be controlled by gps so would have no need to stop for tacho breaks or to sleep or sit in traffic jams etc, electric cars will only cut emissions in the towns or cities but the energy has still got to be generated but the emissions can be cleaned up at its source, the emissions generated to make all these vehicles and infrastructure though is going to be immense and isn’t going to cure the gridlock.
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Unilateral carbon controls and this madness which is the climate change agenda I find both disturbing and arrogant at the highest levels and its all just part of the great global reset project controlled by corrupted power hungry elitists with massive egos.  Anyone who thinks we can change anything about the rate of climate change or the consequences are only kidding themselves.  If the UK adopted every target set and achieved zero emissions tomorrow, it would change nothing.  That's not to say we shouldn't be responsible and inform ourselves, as after all, reducing things like heating bills is just common sense. It also pays not to do unjust or unnecessary damage to the planet which sustains us buts lets get a sense of real perspective here.  Just, for example, consider all the ash, noxious gasses and damage that the La Palma volcano has just spewed into the atmosphere and it dwarfs anything that this tiny island nation might achieve.  Ask yourself one simple question...just how many of those in public office pushing for these things are coming up with sensible plans and strategies to cope with climate change rather than imposing ill conceived targets and changes on us?  Few.  That's what will get to us and affect our daily lives more.  It is the responsibility of government to plan and deliver these strategies and I see little to convince me they're doing much, if anything, about it.

This has led to a crappy situation where we're losing freedom of choice and even thought on a daily basis, where we're having damaging Ethanol added to our fuel by no choice of our own, ironically shortening the lifespan of the cars we drive and INCREASING their total carbon footprint as a result, by ensuring we have to change to, lets face it, electric cars involving more carbon dioxide emissions in construction, where the planet is raped of rare earth metals for batteries (non recyclable it might be added), where copper reserves are fast dwindling and where electric to charge them comes from the grid which involves, you guessed it, burning fossil fuels.  The whole thing is the biggest con of the century.  Noble intentions let down by poor planning, unrealistic targets and a false sense of achievement which is uncharitable to both the planet we live on and to the truth.  Be responsible in your personal choices, be informed, look after your little corner of the planet but to lose personal choice and freedoms is one of the most sinister and unacceptable facets of this whole sorry debacle which are government are hell bent in steering us down.  Meanwhile China and India, two of the most polluting industrial nations on earth, carry on regardless and both profit form our sense of ego driven do- gooding.   These are just my personal thoughts on the subject and I have looked in detail at both sides of the argument and tried hard to research these things thoroughly.  I'm not some ignorant pillock who would see our planet destroyed, quite the opposite, and take my personal responsibilities very seriously, but am thoroughly fed up with these climate change nuts forcing their ill conceived and poorly researched contradictory and ill informed opinions on all of us as if their opinion is the only one which matters.  They simply refuse to see past their agenda to larger truths.

The only way to bring the nation, or the planet come to that, with you on whatever subject, is to speak truthfully to inform opinion, be realistic about what we can achieve and leave freedom of choice on the table.  It's the removal of the latter which I find so hard to accept. Rant over.
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That's not a rant , it's a very well argued point of view.

If I may, I will use that as the basis for a note to my MP, not that it will do any good
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Originally posted by legend88 legend88 wrote:

That's not a rant , it's a very well argued point of view.

If I may, I will use that as the basis for a note to my MP, not that it will do any good

 
Thank you and yes, by all means, use away.  Collectively, I feel that the more of us reasonable and hopefully well informed corners of society that get this message through strong and clear, the better.  I wouldn't be at all surprised to see any public criticism of the climate change agenda as hate speech before too long.  Just look at what's happened to freedoms in Australia (they have none) and Canada (ditto). You can be arrested for breaking covid curfews or refusing to wear masks or for gathering in groups without ticking one of the allowable activity boxes.  

Canada has gone as far as introducing re-correction punishment and temporary internment for those it deems don't conform to their covid agenda under Trudeau.  It's not too far a leap from that to incarceration or charge against anyone voicing opinions not conforming to the corrupted globalist agendas. This country, if continued to be steered by Boris, has little to look forward to in those respects as he is one of the "build back better" crowd, the whole thing based on climate change agendas, just a pretext for population control.  That's what is at the bottom of all of these things, not some false charity or hope that we can change anything to do with climate change.
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I think the trouble with the remediation efforst is often money. Whatever the intentions are, someone sees a way to make something on the side and it just derails it. People were hammering on at the government for years to take it seriously. The fact they're seeming to be going all in at the minute makes me suspicious. Like you say, will probably to do more harm than good.

I'd argue that anthropogenic climate change definitely is the problem. Would be convenient to think otherwise but there's nothing really defending that stance. I remember covering it at uni (part of Civil Engineering) and it was undisputable. Forget the natural processes, what we've added has no real process for then disappearing again. It can't be explained away with "forest burns giving off CO2, forest grows absorbing CO2". The bits we've released (though a small percentage of the overall natural processes) haven't gone anywhere and have accumulated over time.  

We've also seen improvements already where controls have been put in place. The rebuilding of the ozone hole thanks to banning CFCs is one thing, but probably not part of the whole CO2e thing. But there's plenty of localised stories that show the effects even on a citywide level. It's such a complex system with many interactions that it does make it difficult to draw definite conclusions. But if we can say for sure that doing X for years in the pursuit of GDP has caused the problem, we can also infer that not doing X any more will help reduce the problem. If nothing else it will halt the rate the problem is compounding. 

I think for sure it's not worth pointing at everyday people and blaming it all on them. A lot is out of our hands before we even wake up. But you did start to lose me a bit with the mind and population control. I don't think Boris and that want anything more than just to profit from corruption. When it comes to the tories I can't even trust a single one to make up their own minds. They all seem to do as they're told by someone. 
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I might be thinking wrong but I tend to think about oxygen depletion, for thousands of years the population of the planet was small but now there’s billions of us plus the animals to feed us and pretty much every form of transport burns oxygen and heating burns it and there’s less forests etc to replace it, could part of the problem be this?.
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It's all part of the carbon cycle for sure and as blacklines says, changing the way we do certain things at an industrial level is worth investment.  The single biggest gains (or at least reduction in emissions) was put on the table when I did my civil engineering degree some 36 years ago, when government were advised countless times that we couldn't go on burning coal (fired power stations) and gas was finite so back in the 1980's the most sensible strategy was to roll out a Nuclear power programme but as usual, privatisation got in the way of national investment and we persisted in the main with new gas powered stations.  Now we cannot afford Nuclear, at least the capital programme and it would take 10 to 20 years to achieve National supply security via nuclear even if the first spade was put in the ground today.  Instead we rely on large amounts of energy from French nuclear supplies sending the money out of the UK and failing to generate the investment needed from our own industry tariffs.

Nuclear is the only sensible approach for such a densely populated small island and to date we only have one new one to come on stream for the South West at Hinkley, but then its questionable as a gain as Oldbury's being decommissioned and Berkeley has long since been decommissioned.

The next best thing we can do is to cut down our own energy needs by changing codes for new homes for improved thermal performance = more insulation or more efficient insulation.  Burning timber is fine for many of us as that is carbon neutral and the UK has got many tree planting schemes in the offing or underway. Ironically the biggest destroyer of trees is the woodland Conservation Trust who are decimating many thousands of acres nationally as part of elm die back management.  They say they're leaving other species but that is an outright lie.  Locally we have lost hundreds of acres of woodland, mixed deciduous as they carve vast swathes either side of new and existing woodland and road side walks and offer the excuse that it's all for "public safety".

Like blacklines says, none of this protectionism however well intentioned will work well as underneath it all someone is making money out of iot and rarely are the real drivers charity driven on environmental grounds.  What I meant by population control being at the back of the whole climate change agenda is clear when you look in real detail at who's backing it and why.  The UN are leading the charge in Europe and are backed by organisations such as the Ford Foundation and others who have clear links to population control, with Bill Gates also leading a charge on these grounds as his thinking is to shrink the world's population and he doesn't care whether we do that ethically or not.  There are many other very questionable links to other organisations with links to the Freemasons or to the Rockafella Foundation and the World Bank.  I don't trust a single one of them.  As for Greta bleeding thundberg, she's a poorly educated hypocrite and puppet to these people's agendas.
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Pathetic isn't it, more bloody attempts by govt to control us and dictate what we can and can't do, won'tbe able to think for ourselves before long. Seem to remember back in 86 when I was in poly...the powers that be were saying by the 2020's we'd all be dead £.
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I think they'll have a really hard time enforcing that one.  It's a bloody excuse for more control and loss of freedom.  We need to push back hard as a community and together with MAG petition our MPs on this one.  If everyone did that it wouldn't have a hope of getting through.  How many older bikles are wandering about with oem pipes?  I'll bet they're in a minority.

You could in theory be arrested for having a K&N fitted to an otherwise bog standard bike and end up with a criminal record.  This country is sounding more like soviet Russia during the cold war days more very year.

I for one will totally ignore the law if they bring it in.  It's immoral and should be ignored.  The police have enough to do without being forced to answer calls from mealy mouthed anti bikers about spotting a bike with a non oem pipe on their road.

Realistically the only way they can get this through is to mandate changes to the MOT but since detailed emissions has never been part of the bike MOT due to the lack of impact motorcycles have on the environment, I would be highly surprised to see it go through.  We cannot blame the government executive yet for this as it hasn't passed through their hands.  It's the fault of the bloody civil service, the ultra anti-biking Dept Transport who seem to be made up entirely of brainless twits, anti-speeding campaigners, climate control nut jobs and ex traffic wardens because they concentrate on the minutia for political correctness over common sense.

This is a prime example of why I hate the climate change agenda...they use it as an excuse to push their own unproven agendas through and continually interfere with our every day lives to remove freedom of choice.

Someone ought to reign then in.  I can see why such things might be more prudent on cars because there are so many of them but even then, how many as a percentage of the population tamper with cars to increase emissions?  Answer:  None, technically, because the MOT sets limits for that sort of thing, so this to me is a pointless, ill thought out and prejudicial white paper which will further alienate bikers.

I will be writing to my own MP on this one!
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Here's a letter I have just sent to my own MP.  Please feel free to copy the letter and send it to your own MPs!  You will have to tailor it a bit and remove the mention of being a "responsible firearms owner" unless you have an FAC!  It was there to push a point that this blanket ban proposal by its nature is indiscriminate and does not target the irresponsible.


Dear Siobhan

 

You may be familiar with the  above named paper seeking consultation on proposals for changes to regulations likely to affect most vehicles.

 

One of the more alarming things about this which I know that MAG (Motorcycle Action Group) have already petitioned government about, is the impact on todays motorcycles and I would like to raise this specific point.

 

Reading through the paper it is clear that all motorcycles, irrespective of type approval and age, are being looped into these proposals.  What it seems geared towards is preparing our transport network for amongst other things, electric vehicles and autonomous vehicles.  The latter in order to work with recognition software for part of their current safety management as described in this article with the sentence:

 

"The government - and numerous manufacturers, plus private companies like Uber and Google - are pumping huge resources into autonomous vehicles. If you’ve ever received one of those windows during a sign-in process online that asks you to click on the ‘traffic lights’ or ‘fire hydrants’, you may know that this is Google’s way to help train its vehicles to spot such hazards… "

 

So where do motorcycles come in? Two areas:

 

1.  Emissions controls and;

2.  Recognition.

 

If an older motorcycle has had an oem exhaust replaced for more efficient running or because the oem one has rotted away and is no longer available, owners have a choice currently to put an approved BSU stamped replacement, non-oem one on which will pass all safety laws and comply with current MOT guidelines but it is unlikely to be the same as the oem one because of the huge variety of bike made over the years this would be financially unviable for after market producers.

 

There is a whole industry built up within the uk fulfilling a genuine need and a large market for these things and any changes to law on the pretence of environmental controls would wipe out these industries overnight losing many jobs and making many people unemployed, something which would affect a large number of families potentially forcing them into poverty unless viable alternative employment in our shrinking economy can be found.

 

Further, the comparative number of motorcycles on Britain's roads is so small compared with cars that any tightening of controls for emission controls would have an utterly negligible impact on the nations carbon footprint (a fact that has already been established).

 

The proposals are an absolute sham wrt to motorcycles.  Things like oem engine management chips which regulate fuelling have a finite life and many of us are using pattern EPROM chips which improve fuelling for more efficient running on higher performance machines not to beat emissions but to ensure that optimum fuelling (neither too rich which is polluting nor too weak which damages engine life) is preserved making the bikes more linear in power delivery and more reliable longer term.

 

The proposals, if enacted by government executive, would criminalise any owner of any motorcycle, irrespective of age which used any aftermarket part, from replacement carburettor jets for older machines (which can wear out needing replacement) to EPROM fuel maps, to air filters to exhaust pipes.

 

Does the government really propose to criminalise a large proportion (possibly the majority) of motorcycle owners on this?

 

The article linked to below has this to say:

 

The proposal has drawn swift criticism from the Motorcycle Action Group (MAG), which labelled it a ‘sucker punch’ to the consumer and an attack on the freedom to do what you wish with your own property.

"I was expecting the lack of motorcycle focus in policies for the charging infrastructure, but the anti-tampering proposals came as a real sucker punch," says Colin Brown, MAG’s Director of Campaigns and Political Engagement.

I have taken this response from this article where you can read more:

https://www.visordown.com/news/industry/government-threatening-make-modifying-any-motorcycle-illegal?amp

As a law abiding citizen and someone who is responsible enough to be trusted to also be a firearms owner, I find these proposals one step too far in the current trend of persecuting motorcyclists for exercising freedom of choice and enjoying the freedom to enjoy and customise their machines fully in accordance with current laws, machines which are checked annually come MOT time, where such modifications have no impact on safety, and in the grand scheme of things so little impact on the environment (in fact for commuters it is a net reduction in emissions to use two wheels rather than four) and for many is their only choice of transport.

 

Further, it will have a dramatic impact on collectors and enthusiasts who prize their machines which may be of historical significance such as classic bikes, and for more generally the used market where a vast majority of machines for example have non standard exhausts or filters.

I recently paid a not insignificant amount to buy such a machine which I treasure. It is a 20 year old Aprilia motorcycle which I rate as a future classic, is in excellent mechanical condition but came as bought with an aftermarket exhaust designed specifically for it by a company which used to supply these specifically to improve engine running and efficiency.  There are no imports of original exhausts for this particular motorcycle available  because no new replacements are made.  Why should I be forced to scrap this wonderful machine and have my enjoyment of it legislated against?  On what grounds?

Law abiding people in this country are becoming increasingly alarmed at what appears to be agendas linked to the "Green Agenda" hijacked to increasingly use against the UK electorate for control of freedoms, in this case, to exercise control what we can or cannot do with our own private property.  I find this abhorrent, partly due to the loss of individual freedom and partly because the proposals will make no difference whatsoever to the "Carbon Footprint" of the nation. Not one shred of proof has been offered that motorcyclists are a significant threat to government meeting its own targets so this blanket ban approach must be revisited and at the very least, motorcycles exempted in law due to the much wider impact on freedoms and livelihoods this will force upon us.

I feel so strongly on this that the Tories will lose my vote come the next election if this is pushed through in current proposal guise. I would welcome your consideration and response to this and whether the many motorcyclists in your ward can count on you to petition government and get them to see that common sense has flown out the window in this instance.  Motorcycles must be untangled from this ill conceived proposed legislation otherwise it will become yet one more area where government loses the support of the electorate.


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I saw the article about 'customising' bikes being made illegal
a few days ago. Its early days, so not sure if this relates to something as trivial as a headlight bulb, or is aimed at altering performance or emissions  outputs. As bikes have never had emissions checks as part of the MoT and there is no model datum to check against, I fail to see how any bike can be properly checked. My Guzzi Le Mans has accelerator pump carbs which wouldnt have met the earliest emissions limits. My re chipped Aprilia runs a map to run optimal fuel / air mixture, My CB1300 has a PC3, set up on the dyno for precise fuel / air levels. All 3 fall into different eras of emissions limits. Unless there is a blanket law that zero customisation is acceptable, it wont work. And a blanket law  would instantly remove thousands of bikes from the road. In many cases, oem parts are no longer available to restore bikes to original and who could afford it anyway.
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Originally posted by Stevex Stevex wrote:

And a blanket law  would instantly remove thousands of bikes from the road.

Which of course has been the intention of the ever stringent learner laws
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Originally posted by Stevex Stevex wrote:

I saw the article about 'customising' bikes being made illegal
a few days ago. Its early days, so not sure if this relates to something as trivial as a headlight bulb, or is aimed at altering performance or emissions  outputs. As bikes have never had emissions checks as part of the MoT and there is no model datum to check against, I fail to see how any bike can be properly checked. My Guzzi Le Mans has accelerator pump carbs which wouldnt have met the earliest emissions limits. My re chipped Aprilia runs a map to run optimal fuel / air mixture, My CB1300 has a PC3, set up on the dyno for precise fuel / air levels. All 3 fall into different eras of emissions limits. Unless there is a blanket law that zero customisation is acceptable, it wont work. And a blanket law  would instantly remove thousands of bikes from the road. In many cases, oem parts are no longer available to restore bikes to original and who could afford it anyway.

The way I read the proposals, measured emissions or benchmarks don't come into it. It's down to one simple check....has the bike been modified in any way that affects fuelling or gas flow. Specifically, is it still standard?  If not, you're criminalised for using it on public roads.  It's that simple.  That will cover anything from ignition system upgrades, to fuelling to exhausts.  Anything they can tie to a possible change in C02 emissions is excuse enough to legislate a vast majority off the roads unless they have the means to revert any bike of any age to standard specification and classics are not exempted in the draft proposals.

I think this is well enough thought out to be enforceable.  Take for example the Gen 1's using the RP58 eprom. It has two maps, both factory installed on the same chipset, so OEM.  One designed to work with a standard pipe and one for a free flowing pipe.  Which is OEM spec? The answer is the one in the spec that left the factory, in the specification intended for the country of origin, otherwise it will be illegal.   That means in all cases, any bike wearing a non factory pipe will be illegal. BSU approved stamp on the pipe or not.  It's a railroading job and needs to be fought hard.  Don't think for a moment they wont all fold in parliament behind the shield of climate change policy political correctness. They will UNLESS enough people write to their MPs and state that they'll lose votes.  Votes are the only thing they care about as that's what keeps them in power.
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Originally posted by legend88 legend88 wrote:

Originally posted by Stevex Stevex wrote:

And a blanket law  would instantly remove thousands of bikes from the road.

Which of course has been the intention of the ever stringent learner laws

Motorcycles and firearms both fall into the category of "remove from the public".  The former because there is a perceived reduction in NHS costs of dealing with serious RTAs, whether factual or not, together with the perceived "nuisance" of bikers poses. The latter because they've been trying to legislate firearms out of public ownership for decades.  The firearms act came in after WW1 and was radically strengthened post WW2 when the fear was so may publicly held firearms post war, could in any civil unrest see a public that could outnumber local resources sent in to deal with insurrection.  They still hold this antiquated view today.  What isn't antiquated and don't underestimate this, is the fear of loss of power over the public by the very people that put them there.  WE put them there so make your voices heard with the threat of loss of votes.
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Originally posted by Vee60 Vee60 wrote:

  The firearms act came in after WW1 and was radically strengthened post WW2 when the fear was so may publicly held firearms post war, could in any civil unrest see a public that could outnumber local resources sent in to deal with insurrection. 

The exact opposite of course to why US citizens have the right to bear arms as the constitution was written to ensure the population has the means to overthrow a tyrannical government.

To people in the UK this has often looked completely unnecessary however incidents like being arrested for consuming a coffee on a seafront promenade bench in the UK last year shows this not to be such folly.

Unfortunately, gun owners - and motorcyclists - in the UK are such minority groups that their votes have little effect in elections. That's how they rule, attack the minority and everyone else ignores it. That is also the agenda behind all the divisive politics at the moment, be it racial, gender or whatever. Turn everyone against each other and the job is half done - Divide and Rule.

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Yes, that's all true unfortunately.  I was hoping that post-brexit we'd have a government for the people but they seem to be worse then the EU oppressors, making unilateral and draconian decisions which affect us all in a way that has negative impacts on our lives. Everything from the poor planning that led to food shortages and driver shortages, the way covid was handled, the draconian measures put into place which even intruded into our religious lives, the things they force on our children at schools and unnecessary tightening of legislations like firearms acts (lets face it no criminal is affected by these measures, only law abiding fac holders!), the unfettered illegal immigration which has rocketed in the past few years and very sadly, the huge impact on welfare systems these things have had.

Our taxes are rising, inflation is up, we haven't regained our fishing fleets or waters despite the hype, there is no NHS recovery plan,  we're still following much of the EU legislation which led to this contemptable attack on motorcyclists and the police have without a shadow of any doubt become highly politicised.  They took BLM's marxist gatherings side and did nothing whilst statues were ripped down and violence against the police threatened, they arrested people for having a cuppa and used heavy handed anti-human rights approaches to policing anti-lockdown marches in London. The Met's behaviour was disgraceful with serious assaults on many people including elderly peaceful protesters.

The covid legislation has been a blank check for the police to do what they want, yet when the ultra left want to rally, loot and be violent, that's all fine and dandy as heaven forbid they'd be criticised for being politically incorrect, even to the point a bunch of officers were photographed taking the knee at one such illegal gathering.

I truly hate what this country has become and even if our vote counts for little, the government would to anything not to lose votes and they know that they stand a chance of losing a hell of a lot due to what's happened over the past few years. We cannot afford to be defeatist so I'd argue it's always good to write to your MP or join a bike group like MAG to add to their funding for fighting this sort of tyranny.  I can't complain if I sit and do nothing but lets hope they don;t push through with this.

Don't ever let anyone tell you something like "The future's electric!" or..."the future's something else"

My response is always "NO.  The futures what I damned well want it to be, not what someone tells me it's going to be".  Anything else is tyranny.

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I think as the late great George Carlin said " it's a big club and you and i ain't in it"
I'm afraid if people still think they can just vote for the other party we can change things is pure nonsense now as it's pretty obvious there is no opposition party now be it in the UK or here in NZ.
Honestly with everything going down at the moment worrying about whether or not you can put a race pipe on your bike is pretty meaningless as society is being torn apart by these psycho's and from a personal experience i'm about to have to sell my track bike and trailer as my wife is about to loose her job and i'm probably not far behind.
I'll put the bike on here first as it's a tricked up Gen 1 if it's cost effective for someone to ship it .
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Well, hats off to my local MP as she is raising this in the House of Commons, and using the letter as a basis to challenge the general sweeping proposals as impractical and (imho) unworkable for us bikers.
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i know this stuff is important but i come on here to talk bikes, i come on here to get away from this sh*t.

i have never had a facebook but i feel like people on facebook would love to comment on this.
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