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Topic: battery choice ...again
Posted By: BIG UN
Subject: battery choice ...again
Date Posted: 31 Dec 2018 at 23:00
hi guys,just been to start the old girl and shes not having it.
no biggie,as ive a few xmas pennys left so i was going to upgrade the battery to the higher cca
and do the 150amp solenoid while im at it.

did it on my last mille and tuono and the difference was night and day.

also need to upgrade the trickle charger as i dont think this oford oximiser 900 is upto task tbh.
had a few and they never missed a beat but the last 2 ive had quite a few issues with,connectors loose and not locking in/charging right ect.

what battery should i be getting please,is it still the one on a.p's website,
the yuasa ttz14s or is there a better one you guys have tried and tested and where from/how much
and the same with the 150 amp starter,best place and best price if not from a.p?

theres loads off cheap crap advertised on ebay as 150 starters that i darent and wont touch,
i think griff advvertises the starter and ttz14s battery for about £115 or complete starter kit with those plus the battery cables for about £169 iirc.

any help/adice/pointers greatly recieved fellas.cheers.


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Posted By: 426hemi
Date Posted: 01 Jan 2019 at 00:04
Johnboy on here makes the leads and I would get the solenoid off Griff, battery wise I personally use shido lion ltx14bs or ltx16bs.


Posted By: BIG UN
Date Posted: 01 Jan 2019 at 00:28
what charger with that old pal?
that naco one?

was just looking a shido but it came up as a ytx 14-bs for the mille

https://www.tayna.co.uk/motorcycle-batteries/shido/ytx14-bs/" rel="nofollow - https://www.tayna.co.uk/motorcycle-batteries/shido/ytx14-bs/

or this numax that say 300+cca?

https://www.tayna.co.uk/motorcycle-batteries/numax/ygz14hbs/" rel="nofollow - https://www.tayna.co.uk/motorcycle-batteries/numax/ygz14hbs/

https://www.tayna.co.uk/motorcycle-batteries/f/aprilia/rsv-1000-mille/


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Posted By: 426hemi
Date Posted: 01 Jan 2019 at 00:42
https://www.demon-tweeks.com/uk/search/shop-by/q/Shido%20ltx14%20bs/" rel="nofollow - https://www.demon-tweeks.com/uk/search/shop-by/q/Shido%20ltx14%20bs/
I use an optimate lithium charger.


Posted By: 426hemi
Date Posted: 01 Jan 2019 at 00:44
I originally had the 14 in my rsv but when I bought my tuono I put it in that and bought the ltx16bs for the rsv, same size but a lot more powerful.
https://www.sportsbikeshop.co.uk/motorcycle_parts/content_prod/248811" rel="nofollow - https://www.sportsbikeshop.co.uk/motorcycle_parts/content_prod/248811


Posted By: BIG UN
Date Posted: 01 Jan 2019 at 02:06
cheers buddy.

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Posted By: dog78
Date Posted: 01 Jan 2019 at 04:10
Great batteries like hemi says , they have a 3 year warranty on them too.  I use the 14 which easily fits in my gen 2 factory. 
I use a Noco Genius lithium 3.5 amp charger. My 14 has 240 CA , spins the motor over better than any lead acid ,but it does have upgraded solenoid and John Walker leads,  the leads make a big difference,  I did have a hot start problem and the leads cured it. The weight difference is ridiculous ,you think someone has sold you a piece of plastic πŸ˜‚,  I think you will be happy with the Shido lithium , there's a few of us now on here that have those πŸ‘ŒπŸ‘


Posted By: BIG UN
Date Posted: 01 Jan 2019 at 15:26
cheers mate,deffo seems the way to go.
i was going to get the leads as well but im bloody useless with ewt electrical
and i know id wish id left them alone,ill cause more problems than i solve!

so ill go with the li-ion battery with higher cca and 150a starter,see how it goes.
i knew it needed doing,even if it hadnt fubard on me,
i was going to upgrade once the weather picks up,if only for peace of mind.


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Posted By: dog78
Date Posted: 01 Jan 2019 at 15:46
You will be well happy with the battery and the charger which does every other type of battery.  Also if there a power cut it remembers what battery it was set for so it don't ruin the battery .
John's leads are easy to fit one wire to solder and you are done.  You can pick the charger up now for about 55 quid. 
And a status lead which will show you the power in the battery without taking the seat off . You can get that at Amazon for a tenner πŸ‘


Posted By: 426hemi
Date Posted: 01 Jan 2019 at 15:56
Pointless having a big cca battery if you haven't got the big leads to push it down.


Posted By: BIG UN
Date Posted: 01 Jan 2019 at 15:59
does it come with the eyelet connections you can leave attatched to the battery and have the connector hanging down like most trickle chargers?
or is that the status lead you mention mate?


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Posted By: badapple
Date Posted: 01 Jan 2019 at 16:47
The more you fellas mention these empty plastic boxs the more tempted I am to go for one. Was going to use the raffle voucher but Griff isn't stocking them anymore I wonder why? 

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Posted By: legend88
Date Posted: 01 Jan 2019 at 20:42
They are super light and can give huge cranking amps for their size but my concern still lies with their (Very) limited capacity, typically half or less of a comparable traditional battery. I know the advocates say this is no problem but 4 to 6 Ah still seems too little to me.


Posted By: dog78
Date Posted: 01 Jan 2019 at 21:13
Originally posted by BIG UN BIG UN wrote:

does it come with the eyelet connections you can leave attatched to the battery and have the connector hanging down like most trickle chargers?
or is that the status lead you mention mate?
Happy new BIG UN, yes the charger does come with an eyelet connection that plugs into the charger.  The status lead is same type of lead but shows you how much charge you have in the battery.  
I will dig a picture up of it for you , if you want to put it on a trickle charger it has to be a Optimate lithium a normal one will destroy it. Tbh it can go from 25% to 90% in about 8 minutes . I normally plug the the battery in while I an checking the tyre pressures abd little charge will always give you a full battery . Just follow the advice and information you get with the battery and you will be fine.
Another good thing about them is if you were to do consecutive starts,  which Tapmyhead Nige Bowerman had to do when he had a fuel pump problem with his 1103 after building it,  he reckons it done about 17 starts , and said he doesn't think the lead acid would had coped with that.  They stop all of a sudden if you were to keep starting it till it won't start. 
Unlike a lead acid it would start to turn slowly and f**k your sprag . They turn it the same speed and then stop. It's personal choice but now I have the charger I will get one for the R1 track bike when I get it too.
I do agree with hemi though , I would get some John's leads they make a big difference,  and then you will be getting the best from your battery .


Posted By: dog78
Date Posted: 01 Jan 2019 at 21:14
Happy new year, I meant πŸ˜‚ 


Posted By: dog78
Date Posted: 01 Jan 2019 at 21:38
https://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/YTX14-BS-Shido-Lithium-Ion-Battery-76-Lighter-Than-Original-YTX14BS-LTX14BS/323523725861?ul_ref=http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/710-53481-19255-0/1?ff3=2&pub=5575376664&toolid=10001&campid=5338268676&customid=edbd5eba-2228-4ce9-ac11-a892691993d5&lgeo=1&item=323523725861&srcrot=710-53481-19255-0&rvr_id=1802892189093&rvr_ts=0b5532321680a16e93f755eeffd4356b&_mwBanner=1&_rdt=1&ul_noapp=true&pageci=7d59166a-8734-49da-bc28-5e371d549bb8" rel="nofollow - https://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/YTX14-BS-Shido-Lithium-Ion-Battery-76-Lighter-Than-Original-YTX14BS-LTX14BS/323523725861?ul_ref=http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/710-53481-19255-0/1?ff3=2&pub=5575376664&toolid=10001&campid=5338268676&customid=edbd5eba-2228-4ce9-ac11-a892691993d5&lgeo=1&item=323523725861&srcrot=710-53481-19255-0&rvr_id=1802892189093&rvr_ts=0b5532321680a16e93f755eeffd4356b&_mwBanner=1&_rdt=1&ul_noapp=true&pageci=7d59166a-8734-49da-bc28-5e371d549bb8
Free delivery,  bargain . It slightly taller than the 12 but it will easily go in as they are so small you get spacers to pack up the spare room under the battery . Just turn on set of spacers on their side and the restraining bracket will hold it firmly .


Posted By: BIG UN
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2019 at 04:33
cheers buddy and happy new year to you too mate.
that listing shows it as ytx and ltx.
ill grab one of them buggers and the genius 3500 charger.

do you know of anywhere else to get a 150a starter other than a.p mate?
theres loads on ebay but seem very/too cheap.

i had one off griff before but it took absolutely ages to arrive,
i was stranded bikeless bang in the middle of summer.
they get so busy at a.p headquaters bless em.

if i order the shido and charger tmrw,i want a 150a on the way too so i can get it all done.


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Posted By: legend88
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2019 at 11:22
BIG UN, I've always had stuff very sharpish from AP, usually next day so I think you must have had a one-off. Speak to Taz as he does all the admin and mail order now and was great last time I dealt with him.


Posted By: dog78
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2019 at 12:17
Originally posted by BIG UN BIG UN wrote:

cheers buddy and happy new year to you too mate.
that listing shows it as ytx and ltx.
ill grab one of them buggers and the genius 3500 charger.

do you know of anywhere else to get a 150a starter other than a.p mate?
theres loads on ebay but seem very/too cheap.

i had one off griff before but it took absolutely ages to arrive,
i was stranded bikeless bang in the middle of summer.
they get so busy at a.p headquaters bless em.

if i order the shido and charger tmrw,i want a 150a on the way too so i can get it all done.
This is the battery, sorry I gave you the wrong one this mine


Posted By: BIG UN
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2019 at 14:35
cheers dog,

has yours gone in a gen 1 or gen 2 mate and are they the same size?
looking at it,a few aderts advertise the 14-bs for mille year 98-00 but only the 12-bs for my 2002 bike?
is the battery compartment the same size on all milles,as the acid battery griff advertises seems to be one size fits all?

ive ordered the same battery as you,

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SHIDO-LITHIUM-ION-LIGHTWEIGHT-MOTORCYCLE-BATTERY-APRILIA-RSV1000-MILLE-1998-2000/183560038584?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649" rel="nofollow - https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SHIDO-LITHIUM-ION-LIGHTWEIGHT-MOTORCYCLE-BATTERY-APRILIA-RSV1000-MILLE-1998-2000/183560038584?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649

plus the 150a solenoid off griff and the genius 3500 charger.


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Posted By: BIG UN
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2019 at 19:44
Originally posted by legend88 legend88 wrote:

BIG UN, I've always had stuff very sharpish from AP, usually next day so I think you must have had a one-off. Speak to Taz as he does all the admin and mail order now and was great last time I dealt with him.

to be fair old pal,iirc it may have been just before or just after a bank hol at the time and bang in the middle of biking season,i was flapping and impatient due to being stranded for 3wk.


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Posted By: dog78
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2019 at 21:39
Mine is in a gen2,  when you see the size of it, you won't believe it,  you could almost fit two on top of each other.
I am thinking of fitting utilising the space underneath the battery between the spacers. I may put pcv, Autotune and the quickshifter in there and get my toolbox compartment back.  You will have to turnover one of the spacers on its side and may have to elongate the holes on the battery bracket.  I had to but it's worth it as the 14 BS has more amp hours. 
When Nige followed suit and bought one , he said to me you sure this bit of plastic with nothing in it is going to start the bike πŸ˜‚ . You won't have any problems with fitting it, it's just a matter using the lego bricks they give to pack the battery up.
They recommend that you charge it before fitting it, so just charge it with the Noco till the green light stays on permanently not flashing and it's fully charged,  the lights on the the top of the battery I found ain't as accurate as the charger or the status lead .


Posted By: BIG UN
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2019 at 04:06
great,shouldnt have a problem all year with this upgraded set up now pal.
shouldnt ever let me down now,better solenoid,much better charger and a much stronger battery.
winner winner chicken dinner.
what setting do you put your noco on for the charging pal?theres 4 different ones isnt there?


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Posted By: dog78
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2019 at 04:22
 Just normal I set it on , just make sure that it's on Lithium,  it's a bit fiddly sometimes,  you will see the blue light on above the lithium.  Get one of the Noco status leads , then you will always know how charged the battery is without taking the seat off . Tenner at Amazon.  Get any problems give us shout,  I love to see your reaction when you get the battery out the box πŸ˜‚,  good luck BIG UNπŸ‘


Posted By: BIG UN
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2019 at 04:36
lol,cheers mate.
is that what theyre called...a status lead pal?
would you fit it to bike yet or keep it in the house on charge where its warm?
bit weary after current batterys gone tits up.


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Posted By: dog78
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2019 at 04:47
Tbh I would keep it in the house for the winter . I have took mine off again after getting it Moteed. I would give it a full charge and just leave it.  They don't lose charge like a lead acid when off the bike and not connected.  I heard of one that was on the self for three years and it fired the bike up no problem .
I will get you a link for the lead. 


Posted By: dog78
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2019 at 04:54
This ain't a bad price on eBay  £13.99, and it's free postage . By the time you pay postage on amazon it probably be the same mate.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Noco-GC015-X-Connect-charge-indicator-know-when-your-battery-needs-charging-/302607063100" rel="nofollow - https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Noco-GC015-X-Connect-charge-indicator-know-when-your-battery-needs-charging-/302607063100


Posted By: BIG UN
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2019 at 04:58
brill mate,thanks.
was just looking at them on youtube.
so you fit that and that becomes the connector for the charger like normal chargers,
except it has leds showing the state of the battery charge level?
good idea.
think ill leave it in the house on charge till full.
got my mot in feb,so ill do same as you,pop it in for mot then take it out again till the weather picks up.
appreciate the help/advice and links good buddy.


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Posted By: dog78
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2019 at 10:36
Yes the lead shows 25%,50%,75% and 100%.  It means you can keep an eye on it. They recommend that you don't attempt a start 50% or below but a 10 min charge will bring up 90% , they say you should never let them go flat,  but it happened to me because I didn't do the procedure when you reconnect the battery where you have to put the ignition on don't start it switch it off then put ot on and start it. But it was fine from flat to the green light in about 10 minutes and started the bike,  can't do that with a lead acid πŸ˜‚ 


Posted By: aaressveeguy
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2019 at 10:55
^I ordered on of these when ebay was doing 15% off :)
I need a lifepo4 trickle charger now, so will  check the links above.  Have see some for less than £40 I think.Do you know the approx discharge rate when sat unconnected for these batteries? I know much slower than agm but roughly what? The battery would not be on my bike before March at least, so was wondering.
Thanks for all the info mate, very helpful.


Posted By: dog78
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2019 at 11:39
Couple of years


Posted By: aaressveeguy
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2019 at 12:15
Shocked
wow


Posted By: dog78
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2019 at 12:30
Originally posted by aaressveeguy aaressveeguy wrote:

Shocked
wow
I had mine ot from  mid July till a couple of weeks ago when put it in for a mot and it hadn't lost anything at all.
Lead acid .has had their day for me, you can when fit them upside down . But to charge from flat and start the engine in ten minutes is truly amazing,  they got a safety mechanism to stop them going totally flat to protect the battery unlike the earlier one which would be ruined of they went flat.  It's best to not do it though. .Once you had one you won't go back πŸ˜‚ 


Posted By: BIG UN
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2019 at 14:18
mines on its way and the charger,ordered the status lead,£11.99 delivered off ebay.
a.p are sending out the solenoid so all should be well for the mot next month.

cheers dog


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Posted By: dog78
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2019 at 17:28
No worries BIG UN, you will be well happy I am sure,  at a later date I would upgrade the leads and you will have a great starting motorbike , it does take some believing that it would start a bike. πŸ˜‚


Posted By: redratbike
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2019 at 17:32
you will honk the box is empty when it turns up it’s that light

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Posted By: dog78
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2019 at 17:37
Like Mark says it's shocking ,but you really got to experience it,  as no matter how many people tell you about its weight it doesn't prepare you for the shock πŸ˜‚ 


Posted By: BIG UN
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2019 at 19:22
lmao.
means i can have an extra pie due to weight saving lol.
will get leads done in the summer,im no good at electrics and soldering.



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Posted By: dog78
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2019 at 09:08
Originally posted by BIG UN BIG UN wrote:

lmao.
means i can have an extra pie due to weight saving lol.
will get leads done in the summer,im no good at electrics and soldering.

The leads are easy the soldering iron broke down so it's tapped together πŸ˜‚ . Another job that has to be done . You can get sleeves with solder in them that you put the wires in and put a heat torch on it , it solders the wire and it shrinks either side of the wire . You can get them on eBay πŸ‘


Posted By: dog78
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2019 at 14:02
Heat gun I meant , next time I am at the workshop I will take some pictures of them for you BIG UN. I will order some at the end of the month and I will post you up a few . That battery started the car the other day a diesel golf,  the battery was flat so because I had taken the Shido of the bike again I used it to jump the car πŸ˜‚ 


Posted By: BIG UN
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2019 at 18:24
lmao.excellent buddy.

battery came today...or rather,what feels like an empty box ffs lol.

150a solenoid also arrived from griff,so top marks there from the a.p boys.

mustve been a one off rare accasion last time indeed.cheers lads.

just awaiting the noco 3500 and status lead,hopefully theyll be here tmrw pal.


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Posted By: dog78
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2019 at 18:33
I said you would be surprised by the weight and the size of it,  the 12 BS is even smaller πŸ˜‚ 


Posted By: constant
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2019 at 18:49
dog 78 what are these soldering sleeves called i plan on doing some stuff in the year and could do with this kind of thing 
cheers


Posted By: dog78
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2019 at 18:56
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B0716GK2F2/ref=sspa_mw_detail_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1" rel="nofollow - https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B0716GK2F2/ref=sspa_mw_detail_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Here you go,  just heat them with a heat gun  with the wires you want solder together and the solder melts and the ends shrinks tight making the connection waterproof aswell.  Easy, make a neat job and a piece of piss πŸ˜‚ 


Posted By: badapple
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2019 at 22:49
They look like a really good solution for me, I'm like you Bigun not a fan of dealing with anything electronic and I don't have a soldering iron if I'm forced to do any connections I crimp and insulate with tape but its fiddly and never seems like it will stand the test of time. 

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Posted By: dog78
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2019 at 22:55
They are great Adam, easy to use and it insulates it and solders and it's waterproof all in  few seconds πŸ‘


Posted By: badapple
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2019 at 23:17
perfect mate top tip thanks 

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Posted By: constant
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2019 at 05:46
cheers dog78


Posted By: Johnboy
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2019 at 12:29
Sounds like you're all having fun and games 😊
If you need any advice or guidance with your electrical concerns give me a shout, we can help out wherever possible. 
Remember that RSVR. net Premium members get the kits discounted due to you being part of AP.



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Posted By: BIG UN
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2019 at 14:17
cheers john,ill be taking you up on the offer soon buddy.
last piece of the charging jigsaw.


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Posted By: Johnboy
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2019 at 18:21
no problem at all, give me a shout, we'll get you sorted BigunπŸ‘πŸΌ 

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Posted By: BIG UN
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2019 at 19:01
cheers old pal.Cool

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Posted By: IanG
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2019 at 12:57
I just started my T after 3 weeks sitting in a cold,damp garage and it started as usual before it had time to turn over more than a revolution or so.

And I never even bothered to charge the thing out of the box nearly 2 years ago,just threw it on and then left the bike for weeks at a time.

Lead acid are ancient history Big smile


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Looking forward to the next track day


Posted By: BIG UN
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2019 at 21:14
thats great to hear ian mate.
i spose i could fit it now,it took 10mins to charge up in the house from 25% upto 100%!!

the bike wont be going anywere yet,at least not till its mot next month,
so ive left new shido charged in my room.
be interesting to see if its actualy lost anything at all by the time i fit it in a few weeks,
doesnt sound like it will have from what youve just said mate.

just awaiting the status lead to arrive now.
fit it all plus 150a solenoid and all should be great.
should be bugger all to worry about on that side again now.

as you say,my old tuono was like that with the upgraded cca acid battery plus 150a starter,
barely pushed the starter button and itd roar into life immediately.
night and day compared to the std set up.

ill try the new g3500 charger on the old battery,see what it says,
the oxford 900 can go in the bin,piece of crap.

see if the new charger can do anything with the old acid battery.



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Posted By: constant
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2019 at 15:43
after reading all this just ordered the charger battery and lead 
cheers


Posted By: dog78
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2019 at 23:15
Originally posted by constant constant wrote:

after reading all this just ordered the charger battery and lead 
cheers
I want to see your face when you first pick up the battery πŸ˜‚, you won't regret it constant .


Posted By: constant
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2019 at 18:51
wow not even 1 kilo your right i didnt think it would not be that lite well impressed and the noco 3500 charger feels well made too 
cheers fellers


Posted By: badapple
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2019 at 21:12
Originally posted by dog78 dog78 wrote:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B0716GK2F2/ref=sspa_mw_detail_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1" rel="nofollow - https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B0716GK2F2/ref=sspa_mw_detail_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Here you go,  just heat them with a heat gun  with the wires you want solder together and the solder melts and the ends shrinks tight making the connection waterproof aswell.  Easy, make a neat job and a piece of piss πŸ˜‚ 

Got these, multi meter and a butane heat gun winging its way to me so I can try and sort the electrics out on a little cbf125 im fixing up next week. Cheers Rich let the electrical fun begin!


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Posted By: dog78
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2019 at 21:19
Hi Adam,  they don't take a lot of heating for the solder to melt, i think you will like using them .


Posted By: badapple
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2019 at 21:51
Cheers mate I'll let you know 

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Posted By: legend88
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2019 at 09:00
I've never used those. Would you consider them as reliable as a normal soldered joint  and are there various quality of the connectors around? i.e. the proper stuff vs cheapo unreliable stuff from you know where?


Posted By: 426hemi
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2019 at 09:10
I've been using them for a while and never had a problem and you can bet they're all made in China.


Posted By: dog78
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2019 at 10:52
Originally posted by 426hemi 426hemi wrote:

I've been using them for a while and never had a problem and you can bet they're all made in China.
 Hi Hemi,  i bought one because of you when i saw on here that you was using them, and now i am a convinced that is the way forward . What I would like to know is where people have got the idea that it ruins sprag clutches?  If anything it's probably safer with the Lithium a they spins the motor the same speed and then stop unlike the lead acid when it runs down it spins the motor slower.
Griff sells them at Ap so he must think that they are no threat to the sprag clutches. 


Posted By: legend88
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2019 at 11:21
Originally posted by 426hemi 426hemi wrote:

I've been using them for a while and never had a problem and you can bet they're all made in China.


I guess you were talking about the connectors (Rather than the batteries dog was referring to) and yes that's true but as we know with many products, the Chinese are more then capable of making quality goods, especially when managed by western companies. However when left to their own devices they often cut corners to save a few pennies.


Posted By: dog78
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2019 at 13:04
This is an amazing video , showing a Lithium battery left in a freezer overnight . I doubt a lead acid would stand up to the same punishment . 
https://youtu.be/pD_LloqOau0" rel="nofollow - https://youtu.be/pD_LloqOau0


Posted By: BIG UN
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2019 at 20:23
new 150a starter and lithium battery and battery status indicator lead final fitted ready for mot on 15th feb.

was good to hear the old girl fire up again.
instant start up in mille-seconds.superb noise too.
damn, i love this bike.

were going to have lots of fun and cracking days out this year!
cheers for the pointers everyone.


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Posted By: IanG
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2019 at 22:20
I fitted the extension lead with the display led's in it as well,but tbh I think I only bothered lifting the rear seat and checking it once.

After a while you just except that the engine will burst into life after a couple of months of inactivity LOL


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Posted By: dog78
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2019 at 23:42
Originally posted by BIG UN BIG UN wrote:

new 150a starter and lithium battery and battery status indicator lead final fitted ready for mot on 15th feb.

was good to hear the old girl fire up again.
instant start up in mille-seconds.superb noise too.
damn, i love this bike.

were going to have lots of fun and cracking days out this year!
cheers for the pointers everyone.
Another convert πŸ˜‚,i knew you would be impressed.  On Facebook they are saying that these lithiums are a threat to the sprag clutches , the way it spins that engine it's a less of a threat than any lead acid. It's the way forward , some people like hemi grasped it early and i am glad that i got one in the end. My batteries in my impact wrench used to last about half a day scaffolding, now these  new Lithiums can last up to nearly two days and they are getting smaller. 
It's progress that is for sure , if you want to get a Yusa go ahead but these Lithiums do things that a lead acid can't. 
Also they are only getting better , i don't even look at it as a battery anymore but a piece of plastic that weighs nothing that starts the bike. Sometimes in life you got to check it out yourself πŸ˜‚


Posted By: constant
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2019 at 07:34
im going to stick the shido in today looking forward to hear the motor spin over quick with instant start instead of a few revolutions only down side with me purchase is i got the noco genius 3500 and it dont seem to work i had to buy an adaptor plug for it when i plugged it in the lights came on then went out and would not display so i presume it is faulty any one here have one of these


Posted By: Fitz
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2019 at 12:11
always used the traditional lead acid battery on my 2000 RSV mille, but after another 1 has failed I will probably go for a Shido LTX14-BS Lion, just wondering on which Noco G3500 should I go for, 1.1, 3.5 or 7.2 Amps ?

Cheers


Posted By: IanG
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2019 at 13:49
I got the 3.5 with the battery as a package.   It's never been out of the box as I've never needed to charge the battery.

I bought these in 2017 and as the battery was charged when it arrived I just fitted it and basically forgotten about it ever since.

It didn't make any difference to the bike starting though,my bike always started when the first piston got to firing point,no turning over as such even with the old lead acid.



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Posted By: constant
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2019 at 15:19
just put my shido in but it did not come charged there is a little button on them that says what state of charge it is in but obviously aint accurate the noco 3500 is well put together


Posted By: BIG UN
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2019 at 20:00
i was told to charge it initialy,just to make sure its 100% fully charged.
doing that took all of 4 mins!!

i bought the battery over a month ago and it had just sat in my wardrobe.
put it on charge again before fitting to the bike and it was still full!

my noco 3500 has worked with no issues,just a pain cycling over to the lithium side 
but ive only used it twice,so ill get the hang of it quickly no doubt.
good to nip in the garage and just look at the connector hanging ffrom under the seat and see what level of charge the batterys in and also good not to have to hook it up constantly to a trickle charger!

battery was a luvly fit as well,snug as a bug in a rug,
fitted the supplied blocks to the bottom to make it the same height and in it slipped,no free play at all.
much better stronger connecting eyelets than usual trickle charges too imo.

fresh mot ticket on her this week then shes covered all through the year.
cant wait to go to work on it when the weather picks up.
last year,i was sat in traffic in the boiling heat crying as all the bikes slipped round the traffic...not this year.


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Posted By: badapple
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2019 at 09:37
Originally posted by BIG UN BIG UN wrote:

i was told to charge it initialy,just to make sure its 100% fully charged.
doing that took all of 4 mins!!

i bought the battery over a month ago and it had just sat in my wardrobe.
put it on charge again before fitting to the bike and it was still full!

my noco 3500 has worked with no issues,just a pain cycling over to the lithium side 
but ive only used it twice,so ill get the hang of it quickly no doubt.
good to nip in the garage and just look at the connector hanging ffrom under the seat and see what level of charge the batterys in and also good not to have to hook it up constantly to a trickle charger!

battery was a luvly fit as well,snug as a bug in a rug,
fitted the supplied blocks to the bottom to make it the same height and in it slipped,no free play at all.
much better stronger connecting eyelets than usual trickle charges too imo.

fresh mot ticket on her this week then shes covered all through the year.
cant wait to go to work on it when the weather picks up.
last year,i was sat in traffic in the boiling heat crying as all the bikes slipped round the traffic...not this year.

No there's a man who's got the bike bug back big time. Nothing worse than sitting in a cage with bikes buzzing past on the move and having fun. 


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Posted By: constant
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2019 at 11:30
hi bigun did you have to get a plug adapter for your noco also when you say about putting it on to the lithium cycle do you have to keep pressing the button to get it over to it i couldn't get mine to go over to it and it didn't work with the plug adapter only when I plugged it into my dad's electric shave socket 


Posted By: dog78
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2019 at 12:29
Originally posted by constant constant wrote:

hi bigun did you have to get a plug adapter for your noco also when you say about putting it on to the lithium cycle do you have to keep pressing the button to get it over to it i couldn't get mine to go over to it and it didn't work with the plug adapter only when I plugged it into my dad's electric shave socket 
Mine came with a normal plug, unless your one is an European one.  To move it to Lithium is fiddly , i found it goes across easier if connected to the battery . Once set on Lithium it will stay on that till you change it. I hope that helps.


Posted By: constant
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2019 at 14:03
cheers dog 78 yes that helps I'm sending it back tomorrow and get a refund and order it from halfords instead so it'll have a 3 pin plug cheers 


Posted By: dog78
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2019 at 14:08
You are welcome Constant,  it's funny i had the same problem when trying to change it to Lithium . But when i connected it to a battery it was fine,  it only takes a few seconds to change. It's the only thing i wasn't happy with , but now i got a solution to it,  there's no problem .πŸ‘


Posted By: dog78
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2019 at 14:13
They sell.it on Amazon too £51.95


Posted By: legend88
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2019 at 14:30
Originally posted by constant constant wrote:

it didn't work with the plug adapter only when I plugged it into my dad's electric shave socket 


Check your Noco carefully and where it came from to check if it is the real thing - and DON'T plug it in to a shaver socket!

It's been illegal for over two decades to sell items in the UK without the correct UK spec 3 pin plug already fitted. There are one or two exceptions like shavers and electric toothbrushes but not many. There are a number of reasons that you shouldn't use a 2 to 3 pin adaptor. Firstly because of potential earthing issues that can cause fires to break out when using an unsuitable adaptor. Many (Most) 2 to 3 pin adaptors do not have have an earth connection as they are only intended for use with the excepted items like shavers so using them for other appliances will be dangerous. Neither do the the 2 pin plugs have a fuse built in so there is no overload protection on the socket outlet or household wiring system and that's definitely not something you want on an item you may leave operating unattended and out of sight for weeks on end.

The electrical systems in the UK work differently to the rest of the world, the following brief article might be of interest.
https://www.fastcompany.com/3032807/why-england-has-the-best-wall-sockets-on-earth" rel="nofollow - https://www.fastcompany.com/3032807/why-england-has-the-best-wall-sockets-on-earth




Posted By: Fitz
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2019 at 19:08
Well bit the bullet and bought a Noco G3500 today, getting a Shido LTX14-BS later in the week 


Posted By: constant
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2019 at 19:45
legend that explain things when i got it i plugged it in with the adaptor the light on the charger came on and then went out so i got another adaptor and the same happened again never new that about the 2 pin plug the seller must be aware of this thanks for the info


Posted By: dog78
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2019 at 21:25
Originally posted by Fitz Fitz wrote:

Well bit the bullet and bought a Noco G3500 today, getting a Shido LTX14-BS later in the week 
Just remember to turn on set of spacers on their side and it will fit perfect , may just have to elongate the holes very slightly on the retaining bracket but it's worth it for the bigger capacity battery. You will be well happy with both buys .


Posted By: BIG UN
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2019 at 16:29
i found that i just click(cycle) through to the end then kept my finger pressed down,it then jumps across to the lithium settings.

took the old girl for the mot today,started first time and its not been on charge for a good few weeks,sat in the cold garage.

bloody cool out there but great to get a blast on the old girl,sounded and went like a rocket.
turned many a head lol,the "normal" folk arent use to hearing/seeing such beasts (both bike and rider lol) at this time of year!

anyway,straight through mot with flying colours,all set now,waiting on the weather.


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Posted By: dog78
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2019 at 16:33
Happy days BIG UN, few more weeks and we can enjoy our bikes again πŸ‘βœŒοΈ


Posted By: BIG UN
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2019 at 17:38
true mate,was fantastic blasting up the country roads and overtaking the dawdling cagers.
bloody rusty though lol,been a good while since i rode last,only ridden this bike twice before she had to go into hibernation and it was a good year before that since my last bike.
add in brand new tyres not yet scrubbed in lol....but it was still awesome!!


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Posted By: dog78
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2019 at 17:51
Hey BIG UN  i hardly got any riding in last year,  fact it was pathetic πŸ˜‚,  and when i went to Donnington in July i had about 3 short rides . But this year i am hoping to rectify that health depending . We will both have to get out more this year by the sound of it.  But you are sorted know so that rust will soon come off βœŒοΈπŸ‘


Posted By: BIG UN
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2019 at 18:31
lol thats right old pal.
itll soon come back,greasy roads+new tyres+1st ride since september=twitchy bum time lol
but it soon came back.warm tarmac and them kfc bucket size chicken strips will soon be gone mate.

im hoping to use the bike more this year than ever,and get to some events and races,cadwell,donny ect.
got a new bike,new helmet and new lease of life plus a new job on continental 4 0n 4 0ff day shifts,
much better than nights so theres plenty of riding day opportunitys.


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Posted By: Fitz
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2019 at 21:09
Spacers do they come with the battery or do people just use some foam or similar?


Posted By: IanG
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2019 at 21:34
They came with mine


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Posted By: dog78
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2019 at 22:39
Originally posted by Fitz Fitz wrote:

Spacers do they come with the battery or do people just use some foam or similar?
It comes with all the spacers ,4 in total just remember to turn on soon their side with the LTX14 


Posted By: 426hemi
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2019 at 23:26
If it's a shido battery they come with them.


Posted By: BIG UN
Date Posted: 13 Feb 2019 at 16:49
yep,came with them,fits in perfect.

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Posted By: dog78
Date Posted: 13 Feb 2019 at 17:01
Originally posted by BIG UN BIG UN wrote:

lol thats right old pal.
itll soon come back,greasy roads+new tyres+1st ride since september=twitchy bum time lol
but it soon came back.warm tarmac and them kfc bucket size chicken strips will soon be gone mate.

im hoping to use the bike more this year than ever,and get to some events and races,cadwell,donny ect.
got a new bike,new helmet and new lease of life plus a new job on continental 4 0n 4 0ff day shifts,
much better than nights so theres plenty of riding day opportunitys.
Sounds like you enjoyed it BIG UN,  come to the trackday on the July 25th , be a good day out.  It's a Thursday and you may be lucky as it might be the four day OffπŸ‘
It's starting to warm up a little now , i need to buy a new helmet too  and i think i will buy a Shoei  nxr , my Arai is about 14 years old , it's hardly had any use about 3 years and always kept in the dark . But for the track,  it would make me feel safer , hopefully i will never need to test it πŸ˜‚ 


Posted By: BIG UN
Date Posted: 13 Feb 2019 at 18:09
there was  some belting deals at the bike show last year pal.
i got a brand new arai hutchy isle of man rep with extra dark visor for £300.
loads of carbon x lite/shoei of all kind on offer.

the arai just fitted my great head better.




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Posted By: dog78
Date Posted: 13 Feb 2019 at 18:20
That's a bargain,  i have always wore Arai but later ones have a wider entry , not like the old one which you had to pull the straps out to get it on your head.  I know it's easier to get on because of the bigger opening but it felt strange to me.  I didn't have my helmet the other day so i borrowed my sister's Shoei and i preferred it to the new Arai. 
There's a Marquez rep the black ant one going for 300 quid which is the one i will get if they have my size in stock .
Funny you say about the show,  it's where i got my Arai from,  you are right there's some good deals especially towards the last days of the show πŸ‘


Posted By: legend88
Date Posted: 13 Feb 2019 at 20:22
I've got the NXR and you won't be disappointed. They are very comfortable, reasonably quiet (They don't suffer from the excessive wind noise that the out and out race models do) and extremely light, mine's only 1450g.

If you go for that Marquez black ant just check the manufacturing date. They have done a different Marquez design each year and the black ant one (I almost bought one) was for the 2015 model year. If the deal is right then fair enough but just be aware the helmet could be well into the Shoei recommended use window / warranty (7 Years from manufacture). Not that it will bother you if you current one is 14 years old!



Posted By: BIG UN
Date Posted: 13 Feb 2019 at 21:09
i was the other way,use tto love shoei and arai never fitted my head shape.
now with the latest designs,its the other way round!

the shoeis arent deep enough,every one i tried,half my chin was hanging out of the bottom.

same with size,needed 2xl just to get most other makes on but arai,i only needed xl.

you really cant buy online nowadays unless youve tried on already in a shop.


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Posted By: dog78
Date Posted: 13 Feb 2019 at 21:20
Originally posted by legend88 legend88 wrote:

I've got the NXR and you won't be disappointed. They are very comfortable, reasonably quiet (They don't suffer from the excessive wind noise that the out and out race models do) and extremely light, mine's only 1450g.

If you go for that Marquez black ant just check the manufacturing date. They have done a different Marquez design each year and the black ant one (I almost bought one) was for the 2015 model year. If the deal is right then fair enough but just be aware the helmet could be well into the Shoei recommended use window / warranty (7 Years from manufacture). Not that it will bother you if you current one is 14 years old!

It does bother me especially for track,  i can't remember how old they could be  when you went through scrutineering. I think it was 3 years old.  I will bear that in mind when i go to buy it . I don't intend to race but i would like to get the later date on i can.  I had never tried a Shoei before and was pleasantly surprised.  It funny how me and BIG UN have nearly swopped preferences πŸ˜‚
Thanks for giving a thumbs up on the Shoei , it's always nice if someone gives you advice when they own one themselves .
This is the one Legend 
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F132322299813" rel="nofollow - https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F132322299813


Posted By: legend88
Date Posted: 13 Feb 2019 at 21:44
Ah, that's not the one I thought you meant. The black ant one I was referring to is this one:
https://www.hondaofbournemouth.co.uk/collections/shoei-helmets/products/shoei-nxr-marquez-tc5-black-anthracite" rel="nofollow - https://www.hondaofbournemouth.co.uk/collections/shoei-helmets/products/shoei-nxr-marquez-tc5-black-anthracite

I think the one you are looking at was 2017 model year (But don't quote me on that) and at £250 delivered can only be a bargain as they were originally £470 or so.

Fit is a strange thing. I've tried on Arai numerous times and they were just painful for me. I've always had Shoei (At least since I have bought high quality helmets) and have always found them perfect for me. However, when I bought the NXR I tried on the GT Air as I liked the idea of the built in drop down tinted visor but it nipped my brow and temples badly even wearing it for five minutes in the shop. Maybe it was the mechanism for the tinted visor that reduced the space internally.




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