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Topic: New Owner Gen1 R
Posted By: JimmyV4
Subject: New Owner Gen1 R
Date Posted: 08 Aug 2018 at 18:46
Hi Guys,

Took ownership yesterday of a 2002 Gen 1 R, bought on ebay from a really decent guy near Bristol, 

just over 12k on the clocks, new to aprilia with past owned bike being a 1999 R6, 2005 R6 and various other Japanese bikes, really fancied a change and i have always wanted a first gen RSV, found out about this site from working for the merch company who made the key rings for this site ( left company about a year ago)

 let me know what you thin of her, next to my pride and joy 2001 CLK55 5.5L V8 AMG





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Posted By: wigginsjp
Date Posted: 08 Aug 2018 at 18:55
Hi welcome along. 
Very nice and you're in the right place. Some nice ad ons I spy with some Harris rearsets? 

Like the Merc 👍🏻


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Aprilia RSVR Factory 2004 Race Bike
Kawasaki ZX10R 2007 Race Bike
Aprilia Tuono V4 1100 Factory 2020
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www.apworkshops.co.uk


Posted By: constant
Date Posted: 08 Aug 2018 at 19:19
nice bike jim if you aint  got them already get some of johnboys cables so you know the bike will start and not get a knackered sprag also one of rderarbike collector and a chip to suite it and throttle bodies done the bike will run better for it


Posted By: JimmyV4
Date Posted: 08 Aug 2018 at 23:08
Originally posted by wigginsjp wigginsjp wrote:

Hi welcome along. 
Very nice and you're in the right place. Some nice ad ons I spy with some Harris rearsets? 

Like the Merc 👍🏻

Thanks, i looked for 2 years for the right 5.5 V8,

You are correct Harris rear sets, it has adjustable leavers also but i'm not sure if they are standard or not, the previous owner said all of the carbon swing arm covers and carbon side fairings are really rare? is that true? 

anyway im really enjoying it so far its a very smooth ride.


Posted By: legend88
Date Posted: 08 Aug 2018 at 23:22
Originally posted by constant constant wrote:

also one of rderarbike collector and a chip to suite it and throttle bodies done the bike will run better for it


And Open Airbox and early year air inlet to make the inlet mods complete! It might actually have some of these when you start looking.


Posted By: groovylee
Date Posted: 09 Aug 2018 at 08:21
Originally posted by JimGreezy JimGreezy wrote:


the previous owner said all of the carbon swing arm covers and carbon side fairings are really rare? is that true? 

I have the same bike.  as far as i know, the carbon front mudguard, rear hugger, nosecone wind deflectors, and side panel scoops are standard Mille R fitment.

the swingarm covers can be got from Russ Wray on facebook - they aren't standard.

Lee


Posted By: legend88
Date Posted: 09 Aug 2018 at 08:29
Originally posted by groovylee groovylee wrote:

Originally posted by JimGreezy JimGreezy wrote:


the previous owner said all of the carbon swing arm covers and carbon side fairings are really rare? is that true? 

I have the same bike.  as far as i know, the carbon front mudguard, rear hugger, nosecone wind deflectors, and side panel scoops are standard Mille R fitment.

the swingarm covers can be got from Russ Wray on facebook - they aren't standard.

Lee


This is correct, I have the 2001 'R' and just the same. Any frame or swing arm covers are aftermarket add-ons.


Posted By: IanG
Date Posted: 09 Aug 2018 at 11:26
And quite often fitted to cover up any damage by the pegs if the bikes been over Wink
Not suggesting for a minute that's the case with yours but I'm highly suspicious of any added stickers or frame covers given these bikes tendencies to fall off the standard Kickstand without warning 


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Looking forward to the next track day


Posted By: legend88
Date Posted: 09 Aug 2018 at 12:08
Good point Ian.

Jim, your bike looks like it has the original side stand.  Thumbs Down  Find yourself a US spec version asap as they are much more stable


Posted By: groovylee
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2018 at 09:27
or have a look at the AP website, they stock the fireblade stand that is a direct fit. worked great on mine :)



Posted By: badapple
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2018 at 14:26
Lovely Gen1 welcome to the forum. 


Posted By: twinfan
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2018 at 14:39
Nice looking bike,   and welcome  Thumbs Up

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Posted By: Stevex
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2018 at 18:25
Nice bike Jim, just need to bin the rim tape Tongue

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Posted By: JimmyV4
Date Posted: 12 Aug 2018 at 04:07
Thanks Guys for the warm welcome.

it seems like i have a lot think about, any one know where and what stand fits the best, and best place to buy? a blade stand? and its a standard swap.

yes the rim tape is awful, i did have a pick at it and its on propper.

i would also like some more info on the johnboys cables and what a sprag is and why it will be knackered?

anyway, thanks again fellas.




Posted By: legend88
Date Posted: 12 Aug 2018 at 12:59
The Fireblade stand is an option but by far the best is the US spec OE Aprilia item. Its. stronger and puts the bike at a much more stable angle of lean (It's important to get the US mounting bracket as well though as it's this combined with the longer leg which gives the correct lean angle. They are not easy to find and don't usually come cheap unless you are lucky. If you buy them from the states then of course you end up paying import duty and vat on them as weel as the high postage costs. They do turn up on ebay UK from time to time though so keep an eye out.



Posted By: Mr Miller
Date Posted: 12 Aug 2018 at 14:20
Welcome to the Ape house .. nice stead that .. never had a problem
with sprag clutch myself but you`ll know if it goes ..
http://www.apriliaforum.com/forums/showthread.php?155882-How-to-replace-your-sprag-clutch" rel="nofollow - http://www.apriliaforum.com/forums/showthread.php?155882-How-to-replace-your-sprag-clutch
Aw the best fae sunny Ayrshire..

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Posted By: longer
Date Posted: 13 Aug 2018 at 00:35
Welcome, cracking looking bike that! 

Is it missing the rear indicators ? 


Posted By: JimmyV4
Date Posted: 13 Aug 2018 at 03:02
Thanks again for the replies guys.

So the sprag clutch is there a preventative strategy, the link that your posted Mr Miller is way over my head skill and time wise.

i reckon it will have to be a blade peg, as that is coming up quite pricey as it is, but that is just with a quick google search. 

Rear indicators are in the rear light housing which seem to be made from carbon also, i can post a pic or video of it if it's of interest.


Posted By: legend88
Date Posted: 13 Aug 2018 at 09:02
Now, the rear light housing if that is carbon - and OE carbon - is a rare thing indeed. Plenty of carbon shroud covers about and a few aftermarket light housings but OE is not often seen.


Posted By: legend88
Date Posted: 13 Aug 2018 at 09:03
Originally posted by JimGreezy JimGreezy wrote:

i reckon it will have to be a blade peg, as that is coming up quite pricey as it is, but that is just with a quick google search. .


I would give it a little time and do some more searching. They US ones do come up on ebay and they are the best option.


Posted By: wigginsjp
Date Posted: 13 Aug 2018 at 12:22
if you look for a US one you can find bargains. I had two from the states before. One I paid £45 and the other £30 but look up on eBay.com 'kick stand' and as mentioned you must have the stand and bracket. 

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Aprilia RSVR Factory 2007 V2 1060cc Big Bore
Aprilia RSVR Factory 2004 Race Bike
Kawasaki ZX10R 2007 Race Bike
Aprilia Tuono V4 1100 Factory 2020
www.apriliaperformance.co.uk
www.apworkshops.co.uk


Posted By: JimmyV4
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2018 at 15:29
thanks guys,
what do you lot think about this?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2002-APRILIA-RSV-1000-Mille-Kick-Stand-Side/283030678927?fits=Model%3ARSV+Mille&epid=9020982174&hash=item41e5f16d8f:g:sgAAAOSwesVbNT~l" rel="nofollow - https://www.ebay.com/itm/2002-APRILIA-RSV-1000-Mille-Kick-Stand-Side/283030678927?fits=Model%3ARSV+Mille&epid=9020982174&hash=item41e5f16d8f:g:sgAAAOSwesVbNT~l


Posted By: JimmyV4
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2018 at 15:32
also sorry to double post but where do i get the  johnboys cables from?


Posted By: wigginsjp
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2018 at 16:00
needs a lick of paint but that's the thing you are after. 

John Walker is on here. Stick it in the search menu for his cables or failing that he will find you shortly 😆


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Aprilia RSVR Factory 2007 V2 1060cc Big Bore
Aprilia RSVR Factory 2004 Race Bike
Kawasaki ZX10R 2007 Race Bike
Aprilia Tuono V4 1100 Factory 2020
www.apriliaperformance.co.uk
www.apworkshops.co.uk


Posted By: wigginsjp
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2018 at 16:04
Sent you a PM for Johnboy 's email 

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Aprilia RSVR Factory 2007 V2 1060cc Big Bore
Aprilia RSVR Factory 2004 Race Bike
Kawasaki ZX10R 2007 Race Bike
Aprilia Tuono V4 1100 Factory 2020
www.apriliaperformance.co.uk
www.apworkshops.co.uk


Posted By: JimmyV4
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2018 at 20:55
Hi Mate,

Thanks for the PM

So the Kickstand i ahve posted that has the required bracket,

Let me know if this looks good and il get it ordered.

Thanks again for your help.


Posted By: wigginsjp
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2018 at 21:09
The kickstand is correct but be aware it is missing the tab bar thing on the side that helps you push it up and down but you can always cut the old one off the existing stand and weld it on before painting? 




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Aprilia RSVR Factory 2007 V2 1060cc Big Bore
Aprilia RSVR Factory 2004 Race Bike
Kawasaki ZX10R 2007 Race Bike
Aprilia Tuono V4 1100 Factory 2020
www.apriliaperformance.co.uk
www.apworkshops.co.uk


Posted By: legend88
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2018 at 21:48
Yep, that's the stand you need. Just be aware you will also be hit with 20% vat and 10% import duty (On the whole cost including delivery costs) when it arrives in the UK.


Posted By: wigginsjp
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2018 at 22:21
Originally posted by legend88 legend88 wrote:

Yep, that's the stand you need. Just be aware you will also be hit with 20% vat and 10% import duty (On the whole cost including delivery costs) when it arrives in the UK.

Very true though I got lucky twice both times I got them though it was 2 and 5 years ago and paid no additional fees. Maybe it's checked at random. But definitely factor it in as worst case as legend88 points out 


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Aprilia RSVR Factory 2007 V2 1060cc Big Bore
Aprilia RSVR Factory 2004 Race Bike
Kawasaki ZX10R 2007 Race Bike
Aprilia Tuono V4 1100 Factory 2020
www.apriliaperformance.co.uk
www.apworkshops.co.uk


Posted By: Benjiboi93
Date Posted: 26 Aug 2018 at 16:57
welcome to life with a v-twin Embarrassed I purchased a 2002 rsv Mille with only 10k  with fsh in pretty much as immaculate as you will find 3 weeks ago and absolute love it! Previously I had a gsxr Y 750 which I loved but being a v twin this thing is a whole different animal! I spent lotd of time researching and browsing forums before finding the right bike. I chose to go for the rsv purely because it had been so well looked after has stacks of paperwork for updated extras, alarm, carbon parts ECT. Although I love the o.z wheels the reviews I read up regarding the ohlins suspension wasent great so I thought I'd go with the rsv and add the ohlins damper and possible o.z wheels but this is just my opinion. A quick list of mods to consider if not already done are. Evo open box mod with cone filter, aftermarket exhaust/modded collector, chip to suit (mins has the epron fr200 chip) updated battery (TTZ14s) 150 amp starter solenoid, 16t front sprocket, fireplace side stand, uprated battery cables, brown connector mod, updated jet in the clutch to help find neutral easier. Dogbone mount bearings 're greased or replaced. All of these have been done to mine and were mostly carried out by griff at AP you can find them all on the Aprila performance website. Also if you don't already have a trickle charger I would advise to get one as being a heavy v-twin it needs all the help it can get to turn over! Apologies for the essay and I hope this helps. Like I say I've only had mine for the past 3 weeks so if any of this is wrong please let me know LOL


Posted By: JimmyV4
Date Posted: 28 Aug 2018 at 15:27
I just notice your round the corner from me!

thanks for the information, the previous owner did carry out a lot of mods to the bike and im just figuring out if i need the new cables, and im constantly looking for a new kickstand. are there many folks from ipswich on here?


Posted By: wigginsjp
Date Posted: 28 Aug 2018 at 18:57
Not from Ipswich but will be spending a fair amount of time there soon. 

Know several down that way if you want posting in the direction of decent bike meets 


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Aprilia RSVR Factory 2007 V2 1060cc Big Bore
Aprilia RSVR Factory 2004 Race Bike
Kawasaki ZX10R 2007 Race Bike
Aprilia Tuono V4 1100 Factory 2020
www.apriliaperformance.co.uk
www.apworkshops.co.uk


Posted By: constant
Date Posted: 28 Aug 2018 at 19:26
i use a firestorm side stand bolted straight on just need ti drill a hole for the switch it looks a bit iffy from a certain angle but it been on for about four year with no problems


Posted By: JimmyV4
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2018 at 12:14
interesting, yeah a bike meet i nthe uture would be awesome,

i wounder what other kickstands work, i literally have 0 confidence with this stand, it feels very shaky at best.


Posted By: legend88
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2018 at 12:52
I spotted a US Gen1 stand on ebay the other day, check it out. It wasn't cheap mind about £100 I think but by the time you pay carriage from the US then the import duty and vat you will be paying around that, which is probably why people try to recover that money when they sell them.


Posted By: BIG UN
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2018 at 19:16
dont know whats on my new bike,but its been upgraded already thank god.
keep finding nice surprises,power commander ect,just got to check sprockets now,
hoping its not std gearing.


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Posted By: JimmyV4
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2018 at 01:58
Gents!

What is everyone saying about this

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2003-honda-cbr-900-rr3-954-fireblade-side-stand-kick-stand-008/232894421965?hash=item363996dbcd:g:sgkAAOSw2E5bduGf" rel="nofollow - https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2003-honda-cbr-900-rr3-954-fireblade-side-stand-kick-stand-008/232894421965?hash=item363996dbcd:g:sgkAAOSw2E5bduGf

i have been looking for a rsv mille kickstand on ebay.com and the only one on there is battered,
a few gents on here have said a blade stand will fit and its worth the punt at 30 quid - let me know your best guess on this one gents and il buy it.



Posted By: legend88
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2018 at 09:19
I'm not sure if it's the correct year but someone else will surely know. I know I harp on about it but try to find a decent US one as being original OE Aprilia it eliminates any potential insurance issues and is made for the job using the existing side stand switch.

Did you not find that US one I mentioned the other day, I will have a look and post it here if I find it.


Posted By: IanG
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2018 at 12:24
Another reason for using the genuine US issue stand is the far stronger three bolt mounting bracket which none of the other makes use.

Sometimes people with knowledge make recommendations for a reason Wink


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www.apriliaforum.co.uk
www.apriliaownersclub.co.uk

Looking forward to the next track day


Posted By: legend88
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2018 at 14:29
Originally posted by IanG IanG wrote:

Another reason for using the genuine US issue stand is the far stronger three bolt mounting bracket which none of the other makes use.


Apart from the pre 2000 (i.e. 98 & 99 MY) which still had 2bolt fixing even in the US due to the slightly different frame configuration in this area compared with the later years (Presumably to accomodate the stand change). However the US 2 bolt fixing (At least some of them) had a double shear set-up with bracket fixing on the inside as well as the outside. You might be able to tell that I have looked into this quite extensively!  Wink


Posted By: IanG
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2018 at 14:37


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Looking forward to the next track day


Posted By: JimmyV4
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2018 at 15:39
Originally posted by legend88 legend88 wrote:

I'm not sure if it's the correct year but someone else will surely know. I know I harp on about it but try to find a decent US one as being original OE Aprilia it eliminates any potential insurance issues and is made for the job using the existing side stand switch.

Did you not find that US one I mentioned the other day, I will have a look and post it here if I find it.

il be honest with you, i don't fancy paying near 150 quid for a kickstand, the only US one i can find on ebay looks knackered.

and also if one was readily available i would definitely go for an OE aprilia product, but they seem to be quite rare. 


Posted By: Vee60
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2021 at 14:23
Thread resurrection think this bike is the one a mate has just bought from a dealer....looks identical with the same aftermarket screen crash bungs, swingarm protectors, Harris rearsets chains &sprockets and CF rear light surrounds all on a 2002 bike.  Graphics look to be non OE replacements.  Sidestand fitted was incorrect US spec fireblade stand which leant the bike over way too far (short stand and incorrect bracket allowing loads of movement).  We're just going through it now to sort out some essential work on it.

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Posted By: JimmyV4
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2021 at 00:12
hi mate, mine had a OEM Aprilia side stand US spec, used to lean over perfect after i fitted that, akra titanium downpipes with a termi end can.

i think it was all original stickers, i remember the one of the seats edges where a bit tatty, i think the plate was EF02

it also had a on and off again front gasket leak when i sold it.


Posted By: JimmyV4
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2021 at 00:32
here is some more pics of it,




and this last one is from when i first got it with the rim tape and akra



Posted By: Bladerunner919
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2021 at 12:02
Looks lovely!


Posted By: Vee60
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2021 at 12:13
That's the one or at least very very similar and same year/extras such as the exact same Harris rearsets, screen and crash bungs.   It also has non oem bar grips.  The changes to it now include new R&G bar ends, different exhaust (what looks like a gen2 carbon exhaust from a twin system) and new vinyl.  I think it has been down the road hence the changes as the RHS peg is scraped as is the RHS crash bung and hence new bar ends too.  It would explain the change in end can as who in their right mind would swap out that Akra!?  The stand was seemingly swapped too from the one you fitted to a non-oem one using the wrong bracket and the whole lot moves alarmingly due to excessive play and has the bike leant over at quite an extreme angle.  The seat has been recovered in one of those Italia flag coloured ones.

We've located a spare bracket with OEM stand and combined with an AP sourced Fireblade stand will put that right.  Next comes steering damper removal (needs a rebuild) and fork seals need doing.  it'll then be quite a tidy example.  It also has had felt washers fitted to prevent the bars hitting the tank.




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Posted By: JimmyV4
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2021 at 03:25
Jesus, must of been bought by a car driver that fair weather pretends on weekends.

the Termi was brand new old stock, shame about that, we are talking about the same bike EF02XBT ?


Posted By: Vee60
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2021 at 10:04
I'll check the reg with him when I see him (it's definitely an  02) next but it looks like the same bike to me although possible it might not be.  lots of coincidences in looks if its not!

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R1200RS



Posted By: JimmyV4
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2021 at 13:59
Yeah of course, it was a great bike it only ever had 1 issue and that was the slave cylinder popping on me and the already mentioned front head leak. But I rode too and from 4 trackdays went through a set of bto16s and then some S22'S I actually had some brand new 22s on when I sold it. But yeah had it the day I made this post up until December 2020 when I got my gen 2 and that lasted 3 months. I do miss it but I wouldednt buy another. Nice to know that even after it's been chucked down the road someone's taking care of it. The grips input on it were dominos black with white text.


Posted By: Vee60
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2021 at 14:44
Yes, it's the same bike then as it has those grips too.  Slave cylinder looks to be ok now and no visible gasket leaks anywhere.  New chain and sprockets fitted, I think 16/44 as it's very low geared and very smooth.  I test rode it and it had a cut out in revs before the red line but that was a slight hiccup as it soon corrected and was fine after that.  Could be new plugs or HT leads are needed.  Pipe looks to have larger bore feeding it and is deffo one from a pair of the Gen 2 factory carbon ones.  Quite quiet really.

Tyres are BT016R front and back with plenty of life in them.  There's the odd mark in paintwork with a scratch on the tank having been touched up with a black paint pen or something.

Forks and side stand are the main issues along with the need to remove the steering damper which needs a service as its causing the bike to weave.  New side stand ordered...heaven only knows what the last owner was thinking in putting the wrong one on, wobbling about as on the wrong bracket!  Mileage I think is just under 14K miles registering.


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R1200RS



Posted By: JimmyV4
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2021 at 16:08
yeah, thats her that tank mark was there and a garage near me put a scratch on the clocks, when the salve was changed. i definitely put more miles than that on it, i sold it to a cowboy dealer that sold me a really rough bike i asked to reverse the deal but they said the Mille had already sold, within weeks. i cant believe its changed that much so your thinking its had a slide? must of wrecked the exhaust I'm thinking. 


Posted By: Vee60
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2021 at 18:26
Looks like the mileage has been falsified then!  He's going to look at a refund under distance selling regs.  Definitely sold as roughly 14K miles...may have been a little more or less but around that mark.  Yes, noted the crack on the clocks which was missed at point of sale. I reckon a definite slide as the transfers are TOO new and good looking to be the originals which had a habit of crazing a bit.  These are vinyl and are crisp and bright and I noticed that font didn't look quite right on tail transfers.

I reckon a definite drop on the right hand side judging by new R&G bar ends, a badly scraped fairing crash bung and harris footpeg plus a pipe that was never on it when you had it.  Paintwork looks too good and doesn't match wear and tear in other areas including bellypan.  He's gutted as I think he loves the bike but feels he's been ripped off.  I agree with him.  It's been mis-sold as something it's not....ie low mileage cherished bike and original save for rearsets and pipe.  Clearly that's not the case.

I'll be advising him to get a refund and find one from an honest seller.  The seller didn't warn him of leaking forks and semi-seized steering damper.  Steering head bearings didn't feel right to me either.


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R1200RS



Posted By: Vee60
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2021 at 18:29
Seller unsurprisingly has just confirmed he'll take it back no questions and if it comes up on ebay I'll report it as with false mileage and having been damaged.

My mate's done a deal now on a mint 2004 Gen 2 Factory instead.

A note to anyone reading this, if you see this Gen 1 come up again for sale, make a note here so we can prevent someone else being stung!  It needs around £400 spent or more just to rectify current defects to make it safe, never mind falsified mileage!


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R1200RS



Posted By: JimmyV4
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2021 at 08:01
Originally posted by Vee60 Vee60 wrote:

Seller unsurprisingly has just confirmed he'll take it back no questions and if it comes up on ebay I'll report it as with false mileage and having been damaged.

My mate's done a deal now on a mint 2004 Gen 2 Factory instead.

A note to anyone reading this, if you see this Gen 1 come up again for sale, make a note here so we can prevent someone else being stung!  It needs around £400 spent or more just to rectify current defects to make it safe, never mind falsified mileage!

nice glad to hear it, such a shame that someone has mucked around with it, if only car drivers would stick to pizza delviery bikes and diesel sh*t boxesWink

have you come across my thread about my Gen 2? its a real grabber.


Posted By: Vee60
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2021 at 11:35
No, I'll check it out.

Yes, in reflection, someone had taken a tidy bike and wrecked it and the dealer is complicit by his dishonesty "this bike needs nothing done" type remarks!


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R1200RS



Posted By: JimmyV4
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2021 at 12:35
yeah so i traded the gen 1 for a gen 2 i had it for i believe 3 or 4 months and i only ever got to ride it id say 5 times, and it was supposed to be my commuter bike. long story short it needed a new loom, ecu, and tank so i had to get my money back, buying bike and cars really can be a pain with dishonest sellers out there.


Posted By: Vee60
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2021 at 13:01
I hope my mate's Gen 2 decision is a wise one as he's been told clocks have reset so mileage is out a bit but still low miles.  It's bog standard and tidy so very original and not messed with.  I've warned him of electrical issues such as stator, solenoid and the need to swap out the capacitor behind the clocks, so if the stator does go south at least he's prepared for the costs of replacement.

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R1200RS



Posted By: JimmyV4
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2021 at 13:08
and with a site like this with the amount these geezers know there isent really much that hasn't been covered and some clever chap hasn't got a work around or fix for. 

how you getting on with yours mate?


Posted By: Vee60
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2021 at 13:23
I love my Gen 1.  Done a fair few miles on it since I bought it but have done a lot of work including fitting a new fireblade stand, fitting frame covers, tidying paint in places, fitting a 150A solenoid, removing steering damper, setting up suspension properly , fitting new carbon side ears to match original spec, replacing rear seat hump as mine had damage where previous owner dropped it, fitted new R&Gs and bar ends, new alloy master cylinder reservoir caps and carbon clock surround.

It feels like riding a new bike.  Engine, at 6K miles still feels tight, suspension is spot on and brakes are phenomenal.  It has bags of character, goes, handles and stops really well.

Only one job left and that is removing Meta alarm/immobiliser.

It's my 3rd Gen 1 and in 37 years of riding, dozens of bikes later, I still rate the Gen 1 RSV as the ultimate road bike because all the power on tap is useable and it handles as well imho as any m,odern bike I've owned.  I've ridden S1000Rs, MT10s, 1260 Multistradas but none were any better on the road and arguably had too much power and electronics and engines have got way too complex. They're really expensive toys designed to lose your licence on if not careful!  The Mille's are easy to work on, easy to maintain and a joy to ride and own.  I won't be tempted to anything else except maybe to an additional bike for track days and occasional touring and would love an RSV4 Tuono when funds allow. 


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Posted By: JimmyV4
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2021 at 15:02
sounds like you have done quite a bit, and sound like someone who cherishes and looks after these old girls. as i mentioned before i probably wouldn't buy another gen 1 or 2, i currently have a old R1 for winter months a 03, and i prefer having abs and traction, i give it full bore a few days ago coming off a roundabout and the traction on this bike kicked in but its hardly noticeable, where as my blade my brother uses, that thing has abs so heavily handed its awful. i will be quite honest as some one who rides everyday, i couldn't go back to riding daily with a bike without all the gadgets, i have never ridden anything that stops like this, you can just grab the brake like a madman with no real adverse effect, not using the clutch on up and downshift while keeping the throttle open is something i have quickly grown used too and cruise control is something i use everyday now. im yet to try launch control, lookign forward to that.




Posted By: Vee60
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2021 at 15:26
I rode my Mille gen 1 rsv as an everyday commuter doing 65 miles a day and it was great.  Reliable, potent and easy to control in traffic.  Had nothing but a bike for years when I started out commuting 82 miles daily mostly on BMWs and an FJ1100.  BMs back then weren't as reliable as made out and needed constant fettling, regular plug changes and front wheelbearings quite regularly.  The Mille by comparison was more reliable, and brakes on it were as good as anything today but in winter, abs and traction control are a good safety feature.  My Tiger 1200 and GSA1200 both had all the toys, including heated grips, semi auto suspension (GSA) and cruise control but I rarely used it even on long trips.

It's a breath of fresh air getting back to an RSVR, biking at its most exhilarating and it rewards with smooth riding like few others.  I guess you either click with them and they fit you like a glove or they don't but when they do, nothing else will do.  Tried an MT10 and whilst not as pokey as a newer R1 I found it hilariously fast but my licence wouldn't have lasted a week on it!  Used it on the standard road map and it still pulled wheelies in third gear on throttle when it hit the power band.  Not as nice to ride as the RSVR though and not as useable.  Brakes on the aprilia are better than I found them on the MT10.  Had a blade for a few years and like that a lot  but it was a bit characterless and boring tbh and secondary vibes intruded at cruising speeds.

Best all rounder was the GSA.  Nothing that big had any right to go or handle as well as it did and in total comfort too.  Not quite ready to retire onto one hence I changed it for the Mille.  Not a huge difference in performance as it had 92lbs-ft of torque and the same horsepower but the Mille pips it because it's 84Kg lighter!


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Posted By: JimmyV4
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2021 at 12:41
pretty much the same, i have a few bike all sport, it will be a long day in hell before I'm on a pizza delivery bike, i loved the gen 1 i loved it to bits and its a shame some diesel boy had to smash my old one up like you said getting that bike really was a breath of fresh air from the 4cyl Japanese bikes i was largely used to, i knew i wanted to go up the ranks when at my 2nd time at Silverstone, the bike was really starting to show its age and to be frank it was really knocking on the door of slow, i got a lot of trouble from R6's and those cheater 636sLOL 

it is a great road bike and I'm glad i got to experience one for a few years but having a taste of the modern touches i couldn't get another one and like you i have ridden and owned a fair few bikes i currently also have a garage full of them with the RF sadly to join them replaced with a banged old R1 what im getting at mate is if you haven't you really should try a newer RSV4 i think it really is the best bike you can buy if sports bikes are your thing. i really do. im biased, granted but it ticks so many boxes again, especially if your a sport bike rider. and it  keeps that RSV classic feel, that dirty low down grunt.

I'm just rattling on now. supposed to be working......LOL


Posted By: Vee60
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2021 at 13:53
A good rsv4 is out of my budget and whilst great on track I still reckon is too much for the road, or at least the Gen 1 is all the bike anyone could want on road.  Add a modded air box (AP mod )  earlier version air intakes, 57TBs and hotter cams and even without piston work or porting work and larger valves that lot plus a Forza F200 should easily see 125 BHP rear wheel.  Kent cams do hotter versions but they're pricy.  They way I look at it, if track performance is the target, then a newer bike is cheaper than eeking out power from the RSV Gen 1 as you'd have to spend £4K to £5K on engine mods to liberate serious power and that would have a knock on effect on reliability.  It's cheaper to buy a newer 636 or an older ZX10 or R1 for track. For road fun, the Gen 1 is where I'm content.Smile

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Posted By: JimmyV4
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2021 at 07:17
i couldn't disagree more, i don't find the V4 to be too much, i find it incredibly fast and thats exactly what i want in a sport bike, it has earth shattering performance and i have opened it up every time i have ridden it. its an amazing bike and makes a bloody brilliant road bike, its really comfy small and light and so easy to control around town its bloody brilliant, I'm sure its good on track as well like you have said, i take it you have had one out, i will be getting out next year just had my leaver guards turn up as thats now bloody required,  I'm just repeating myself but the gen 1 was having problems with 600s and was showing its age, again, great bike i was glad to have it but i wouldn't get another for the road and i have my reasons for that, anyway back on topic, did this geezer get his money back?


Posted By: Vee60
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2021 at 10:14
I have never had any issues keeping up with most people on sports bikes on roads, with variable surfaces, riding sensibly within safe limits.  There is no way anyone on any 600 would distance a decent rider on road on a well sorted RSVR, it just wouldn't happen on today's roads.  On track that's a different story as you can really explore the limits of grip and turn in, and take advantage of late braking as well as benefit from higher top speeds (just!) and of course any modern superbike would trounce an RSV on track.  However, people also tend to forget the whole point of track days is to use YOUR bike to learn more about its handling and grip and to be able to more safely exploit that and improve your riding skills, it's not about "racing" other people, at least for me.  I don't care who is faster or slower than me, I care that I can improve my own riding skills and explore the limits of my bike.  If I wanted a track bike for racing, it wouldn't be an RSVR, it'd be an R1 or ZX10 or S1000RR or rsv4.

Yes, I've ridden most of the current crop on road including the newer pinagale V4s, and there's no doubting their brilliance and rocketship performance but lets be honest here...there's no way anyone can use one within sensible legal limits and exploit even a half of the power on tap, yet the temptation to do just that will always be there.  It depends how you view these things.  For me, I want a simpler, less complex and more economical road bike that's relatively cheap to own and run, that has decent performance and reliability and has bags of character.  I'm not out to prove anything as I don't feel the need to. I'm old enough now to be amongst this forums more elderly riders (probably?).  I've put up hundreds of thousands of miles on big bikes over the decades, raced them, toured on them and enjoyed them as commuters and for weekend scratching.  I'm more than happy and capable of riding any of the current crop and don't get me wrong, they do appeal to me a lot but I have a special place reserved for the Gen 1 Mille.  I just think of it as a future classic and it does everything I could possibly want from a bike.

Yes, it's slower than newer bikes but  it's still a fast (enough) bike by any normal standards.  It has masses of character and I've put up loads of miles on them over the years and they've just worked themselves into my blood.  There isn't any other bike I've owned that has endeared me to it as much as the Gen 1 Mille has so should this turn out to be my last bike, I'd be very grateful and content with that.

If I was tempted to a new bike, there's only one that would appeal to me and that'd be the RSV4 Tuono.  Ideally my dream garage would include that, a Mille RSVR, a 1250 GSA and Ducati 750ss round case from the '70's.  My pockets aren't that deep!

We're all really fortunate on this forum to own and ride what we do.  It's a privilege we often take for granted in many ways. I think back to the mid 80's without rose tinted glasses on and to be honest, most bikes available then had little to recommend them.  Roll on a few years when the Blade broke the mould and redefined sportsbike performance and reliability and it shook things up enough to force a change in performance, quality and reliability across the board and I think that era was where things genuinely got more interesting and rewarding.  It wasn't really that many years after the blade that the Gen 1 appeared and looking back on it, it really was ahead of its time then and way under estimated and unappreciated for years after.   I think now its seeing something of a revival which is good to see.

Whatever you ride, be safe and enjoy it! Smile 


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Posted By: JimmyV4
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2021 at 10:29
oh, i enjoy my bikes Wink

i use up all the power and electronics i can get me hands on.

but again mate you ever get the chance to use a RSV4 bloody great road bikes as long as your 6ft or under Tongue






Posted By: 426hemi
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2021 at 00:08
Love my gen1 and it’s highly modified, the same as my zx9r and k7 1000, I’m an early riser in summer and go out at sunrise to enjoy my bikes when the roads are properly empty, I’m not the fastest rider on the planet but far from the slowest and most times when I’m out early I’m riding roads I know well, I know I could ride them faster as I know the corners but I also know most of the corners have junctions or driveways around them and I don’t have a death wish or a championship to win so a 200bhp+ bike on the road would be of no extra use for me, would be incredible to experience but I wouldn’t be riding it any quicker. Riding on track is another thing but most of us really don’t have the skills to get the most from modern 200bhp bikes without the electronics packages which is why they fit them and for me that’s taking something away, it would be like playing paintball knowing it’s safer.


Posted By: camngetit
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2021 at 00:12
Had a gen1 rsvr for over 10 years always on road mainly on my own  and always enjoyed it ,im 6ft 3 so its the right size for me ,past couple of year my son has passed his test and got a gsxr600 and on the odd occasion we found a straight it was pretty close he then got an 08 r1 and in a straight line he wins easily, we have recently done 2 trackdays (our first )at cadwell and ckming out the last corner on the the start finish straight he said mine jumped away from him and he only caught me a few times at the end of the straight ,we plan to do silverstone and i know on the long straights he will pass me and part of me thinks to get an il4 but part of me thinks sod ot ride the wheels off the rsv i aint riding it to anywhere near its limits anyone can go fast in a straight and at the end of the day if i enjoy it thats what matters 

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Posted By: Vee60
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2021 at 12:22
Originally posted by 426hemi 426hemi wrote:

Love my gen1 and it’s highly modified, the same as my zx9r and k7 1000, I’m an early riser in summer and go out at sunrise to enjoy my bikes when the roads are properly empty, I’m not the fastest rider on the planet but far from the slowest and most times when I’m out early I’m riding roads I know well, I know I could ride them faster as I know the corners but I also know most of the corners have junctions or driveways around them and I don’t have a death wish or a championship to win so a 200bhp+ bike on the road would be of no extra use for me, would be incredible to experience but I wouldn’t be riding it any quicker. Riding on track is another thing but most of us really don’t have the skills to get the most from modern 200bhp bikes without the electronics packages which is why they fit them and for me that’s taking something away, it would be like playing paintball knowing it’s safer.

Originally posted by camngetit camngetit wrote:

Had a gen1 rsvr for over 10 years always on road mainly on my own  and always enjoyed it ,im 6ft 3 so its the right size for me ,past couple of year my son has passed his test and got a gsxr600 and on the odd occasion we found a straight it was pretty close he then got an 08 r1 and in a straight line he wins easily, we have recently done 2 trackdays (our first )at cadwell and ckming out the last corner on the the start finish straight he said mine jumped away from him and he only caught me a few times at the end of the straight ,we plan to do silverstone and i know on the long straights he will pass me and part of me thinks to get an il4 but part of me thinks sod ot ride the wheels off the rsv i aint riding it to anywhere near its limits anyone can go fast in a straight and at the end of the day if i enjoy it thats what matters 

Exactly why I don't intend to chop mine in for a newer hypersports category bike.  I prefer the pure raw experience of an older bike without electronic trickery and complexity, and know full well on road they cannot be safely exploited to their full potential although they'd be a lot of fun!

I'm only 5'8" and the Mille is tailor made for me, fits like a glove.  Still as good to ride now as it was 20 years ago when I bought my first one Smile

Mine only has an end can and runs on map 2 and part of me says leave as is as any further mods won't make a whole heap more power without serious money.  I may invest in a forza 100 chip and fit an AP airbox kit with pipercross filter but that'd be about it.  Cracking good bikes.  I may even buy a tuono to go with the Mille.


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Posted By: Stevex
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2021 at 16:38
You'll need the FR200 if you fit the AP, or any other open airbox.
I'm of the same opinion wrt bikes, my Gen 1 Tuono has a few mods which enhance rideability (FR200, modded collector, open can, 15/43 sprockets) and it's so goddamn light (feels lighter than the wife's M696). It can out perform me and there's not much that stays with it in my neck of the woods (Yorkshire Dales and Moors). I'm sure all the new electrickery is very nice, but I prefer seat of the pants riding. 


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Posted By: Vee60
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2021 at 22:09
Griff reckons the FR100 is ok unless the modded header and/or larger intakes are used but I'll obviously check that before fitting.  I used to run the RP58 with open filter and Akra and it fuelled fine with no lean running but that was on standard intakes which I'll probably retain.

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Posted By: JimmyV4
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2021 at 06:39
Originally posted by 426hemi 426hemi wrote:

Love my gen1 and it’s highly modified, the same as my zx9r and k7 1000, I’m an early riser in summer and go out at sunrise to enjoy my bikes when the roads are properly empty, I’m not the fastest rider on the planet but far from the slowest and most times when I’m out early I’m riding roads I know well, I know I could ride them faster as I know the corners but I also know most of the corners have junctions or driveways around them and I don’t have a death wish or a championship to win so a 200bhp+ bike on the road would be of no extra use for me, would be incredible to experience but I wouldn’t be riding it any quicker. Riding on track is another thing but most of us really don’t have the skills to get the most from modern 200bhp bikes without the electronics packages which is why they fit them and for me that’s taking something away, it would be like playing paintball knowing it’s safer.

yeah im no rossi, the mille was having lots of problems on the straight against 600s and 750s made it seem slow that was at at Silverstone, same story for Snetterton, 600s seem to go great around there, 

I'm not sure about what's safer, as bikes packed with electronics go down as well, but saying that WSBK times on average are 5-6 sometimes 10 seconds quicker than STK. so i wouldn't say they are fitted to "take something away" but fitted to produce a faster time.

so not only are electronics proving to make faster lap times it would make your daily commute that bit easier, and for all your hardcores, they are extremely felixable, so turn them off. couldn't recommend turning off anti wheelie on a rsv4 tho Wink

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FT6dbB2075U&ab_channel=MMPereira" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FT6dbB2075U&ab_channel=MMPereira

also hemi we all know you own a fully built superbike. WinkLOL

vee
shes back up

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/224647019713?hash=item344e017cc1:g:NDIAAOSwNo9hTMQ5" rel="nofollow - https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/224647019713?hash=item344e017cc1:g:NDIAAOSwNo9hTMQ5






Posted By: 426hemi
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2021 at 08:37
I’ve a k7 1000 at 176bhp and my blade is 183bhp, both really quick bikes, a guy on pb is building a Ducati v4s and the engine is around 240bhp and a seriously trick piece of kit, it must feel like the enterprise going into warp speed.


Posted By: JimmyV4
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2021 at 09:07
my 1199S is 183 around there, heavily modified, those 2 extra cylinders really help. my RSV4 was dyno'd at 193RW by the last owner at the dealer which Colchester Aprilia is home to one of the best bike builders around my way, but the original owner kept the Race ECU and full akra system, i have seen a 80MY RR crack 185 so I'm guessing its abound there 

our fireblade  which is 2014 was just over 150rw before the SC full system i doubt its gained any, honda seems to be stingy.

but that V4 sounds mental what year did it get anti rear wheel lift? 19 i bet who ever is riding will be glad for corner traction control.


Out back by the bins LOL


me brother giving it the lair, but extremely thankful for the rider aids Wink LOLLOL


Posted By: 426hemi
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2021 at 09:46
It’s the new v4r he bought, just bought oz mag wheels with brembo gp spec brakes and mc as well, a mountain of other seriously trick parts as well.


Posted By: JimmyV4
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2021 at 10:09
on right first post you said S but the R changes a few things as the base price is 40k but they sold out within mins, 235 crank power standard its a wild bike.


Posted By: 426hemi
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2021 at 11:07
My mistake, he’s bought a full bsb spec engine, it’s 255 at the crank.


Posted By: Vee60
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2021 at 11:27
Originally posted by JimmyV4 JimmyV4 wrote:


yeah im no rossi, the mille was having lots of problems on the straight against 600s and 750s made it seem slow that was at at Silverstone, same story for Snetterton, 600s seem to go great around there, 

I'm not sure about what's safer, as bikes packed with electronics go down as well, but saying that WSBK times on average are 5-6 sometimes 10 seconds quicker than STK. so i wouldn't say they are fitted to "take something away" but fitted to produce a faster time.

so not only are electronics proving to make faster lap times it would make your daily commute that bit easier, and for all your hardcores, they are extremely felixable, so turn them off. couldn't recommend turning off anti wheelie on a rsv4 tho Wink

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FT6dbB2075U&ab_channel=MMPereira" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FT6dbB2075U&ab_channel=MMPereira

also hemi we all know you own a fully built superbike. WinkLOL

vee
shes back up

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/224647019713?hash=item344e017cc1:g:NDIAAOSwNo9hTMQ5" rel="nofollow - https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/224647019713?hash=item344e017cc1:g:NDIAAOSwNo9hTMQ5



I'll be reporting that advert then as it's patently dishonest!  Bike had been dropped, forks are leaking like Niagra falls, side stand is the wrong one badly fitted and is dangerously loose, steering damper is binding and causing the bike to weave dangerously, the mounting spacer is also missing and it's clunking around as a result, bar ends and crash bungs are badly scraped on the RHS and the list goes on.

I think the discussion has been quite interesting over what personally constitutes the perfect road bike and the thread clearly streams ideals between track and road.  Road riding isn't all about speed, it's about the riding experience.  The track is all about speed if racing but is also about riding experience for track days.

Personally I couldn't care less if 600's passed me on a track day, as long as I learned to get the best from my Mille.  I've seen  151 mph on my first one on the IoM and that was fast enough on a road! (on a clear Mountain Mile, no restrictions, years ago before all the cones started popping up everywhere).  That was using 16/42 gearing, akra system and K&N....no other mods) and that was without ragging it to the limit or pushing very hard out of the entry corner, just a gentle build up of speed. There was easily another 10mph in it.  A healthy one is good for 165mph given enough road.

I can't think of any situation other than in wet conditions where any electronics would have resulted in me "commuting faster" either. Perhaps throwing more caution to the wind or being tempted to ignoring road conditions, neither aspect is good for road awareness and common sense.  It's a good safety layer to have TC and ABS but a good competent and experienced rider doesn't need those things on a Mille.  It is the perfect road bike for my tastes Tongue


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Posted By: Vee60
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2021 at 11:33
Ebay item now reported for misleading description.

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Posted By: JimmyV4
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2021 at 12:52
f**king grosse what c**ts try to get away with. 

i always find half of these people selling these bikes from so called dealers hardly ride, if at all.

yeaah some interesting point of views i loved my time of the mille i wouldn't have another for either track or road but wouldn't trade my time on it.

just had a thaught as well vee, i dont know why i find this so interesting but thats not the dealer i sold it too mine went tot a dealer in Malvern and they sold it straight away that would of been December 2020 iirc


Posted By: Vee60
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2021 at 13:13
Yes, it actually went to N Ireland after you had it and came back to that dealer who's selling it now.

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Posted By: JimmyV4
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2021 at 13:29
Jesus, so with your mate that bike would have at least another 3 or 4 owners and the mileage has gone down hahahah ... con men.


Posted By: Vee60
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2021 at 10:07
That's about the height of it!

Ebay are corrupt.  They've removed false or inaccurate listings as a reason to report an item, so have taken no action although I reported it as incorrectly listed anyway.  As long as they get their pound of flesh, they're happy.

Caveat Emptor is the bottom line here if buying anything from them!

They will say that people can always use buyer protection after the event as they get their money  in any event...greedy so & so's.  Who wants or needs to go through all that if it can be reported up front and the ad removed?

I'm going to carry on flagging it anyway.


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Posted By: Vee60
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2021 at 15:52
Ebay have got back to me and are treating it as a fraudulent ad, so have started an investigation into the guy and the previous owner backed up my side of things to them separately so they have to listen now.  Looks like it could be coming down within a few days unless he amends it to be truthful.  Result.

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Posted By: JimmyV4
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2021 at 17:19
according to how many are left there are 220 licensed R's on the road there's a yellow one listed i know to be a bit dodgy as well. i wonder how many are straight in 2021.

after my hassle with the gen 2 it makes me want to only buy new,


Posted By: Vee60
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2021 at 17:32
Well, there's one here which is s stunner anyway Smile

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Posted By: Bladerunner919
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2021 at 17:52
Originally posted by Vee60 Vee60 wrote:

Ebay are corrupt.  They've removed false or inaccurate listings as a reason to report an item, so have taken no action although I reported it as incorrectly listed anyway.  As long as they get their pound of flesh, they're happy.

I'm not sure I'd agree with that. Ebay has no powers of enforcement and you have to be realistic about what they can actually do. You should report it to Trading Standards in the area where it's onsale - they do have the enforcement powers to do something about it.


Posted By: Vee60
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2021 at 18:12
Originally posted by Bladerunner919 Bladerunner919 wrote:

Originally posted by Vee60 Vee60 wrote:

Ebay are corrupt.  They've removed false or inaccurate listings as a reason to report an item, so have taken no action although I reported it as incorrectly listed anyway.  As long as they get their pound of flesh, they're happy.

I'm not sure I'd agree with that. Ebay has no powers of enforcement and you have to be realistic about what they can actually do. You should report it to Trading Standards in the area where it's onsale - they do have the enforcement powers to do something about it.

Well, "corrupt" is possibly too strong a word but they've made it harder to flag these things up because the more cynical amongst us would point to them having a financial interest in things selling.  

I've spoken with them and whilst it's clear that they no longer have a specific reporting for inaccurate or misleading listings as they once used to, they deal with it via direct contact with customer services and take a view on the seriousness and accuracy of the report.  Because in this instance it's clear that it's serious, and it had been brought to their attention after evidence was supplied, if they continue to list it, Trading Standards would also be investigating why, as they are responsible as they have in effect a contract with the vendor.  They do have powers as the site owners and do have a responsibility once something like this is flagged, to do something about it (investigate the seller account and advert against the claims being evidenced).  They can then decide to remove the listing or even remove the vendor's account for fraudulent listings.  It's this investigation which is underway.  I'm just trying to protect a potential buyer here from making a huge mistake and getting something not fit to be on the road.  It raises an interesting question of the MOT station used for the "fresh MOT" as forks are clearly leaking, steering damper is clearly binding causing the bike to weave, and the stand is clearly deficient and loose, and doesn't even fit properly.  The MOT station used could also be reprimanded here.


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Posted By: legend88
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2021 at 21:10
Originally posted by Vee60 Vee60 wrote:

Well, there's one here which is s stunner anyway Smile

There's one here too


Posted By: Vee60
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2021 at 21:35
Originally posted by legend88 legend88 wrote:

Originally posted by Vee60 Vee60 wrote:

Well, there's one here which is s stunner anyway Smile

There's one here too

Thumbs Up


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Posted By: Foo
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2021 at 12:07
welcome to the forum, from a fellow mille r Ipswich rider Smile

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Posted By: JimmyV4
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2021 at 12:17
alright mate, this was my thread from 2018, i dont have the RSV no more i have a v4, but glad to see someone local whos got taste, im dead bang center IP1



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