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MotoGP Crunch weekend - Event Date: 10 Oct 2012 - 10 Nov 2012

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    Posted: 10 Oct 2012 at 12:17
With the crunch talks at this weeks Motegi race re 2014 ecu regs who is going to blink first.

The MSMA (mainly Honda) have said they will pull out if they are forced to use a control ECU especially if they cannot alter it's software taking Pedrosa and possibly Marquez with them as they are under contract. Dorna have said it will be mandatory whatever

Bear in mind Honda have the most Factory bikes on the grid, All of the Moto2 engines and most of Moto3. I think there may still be leased Honda parts available but no official Factory stuff.

Plus If Honda go a good chance Yamaha will too (Taking Rossi and Lorenzo) and Suzuki will not return leaving basically a sole Factory team in a Ducati to race themselves and lots of CRT. So who will buckle ?

Edited by Spoonz - 10 Oct 2012 at 12:18
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mmm tough one that Spoonz let me mull that one over LOL
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Hmmm ... that's a lot to cover in one post.

Re the spec ECU, if Dorna just want this to implement an RPM limit, and the teams are still able to work on fuel mapping etc, this might be enough for Honda to relent.  However, bare in mind Carmelo Ezpeleta has stated that from 2014 all bikes should be CRT so the role for factory teams becomes a little vague. He has also limited each factory to just 4 'prototypes' next year, in an effort to migrate everyone to CRT.

All of this could also have something to do with Honda announcing a 'road' version of their RCV MotoGP machine (the latest incarnation of the RC30 and RC45 family?).  This would not only give them a bike to put them on terms with Aprilia, BMW and (arguably) Kawasaki in SBK but the engine could form the basis of a CRT bike for MotoGP.

Mind you Ezpeleta has also stated there would never be more than 18 races in a season (there are 19 next year) and that Spain would no longer have 4 GPs (while killing Portugal off there are still 4 Spanish rounds next year) so what he says has little baring on what he does!!

I don't think any of this is a threat to Moto2 or Moto3, and even if Honda were to take their ball home I think the Moto2 engine contract is up in the next year or 2, and if needs be Moto3 could be filled with KTMs, and other engine manufacturers might be joining anyway.

As far as I can see the only electronics in MotoGP that are not being developed in SBK is the fuel management to ensure they finish the race on the allotted amount (22 litres?). Traction control, launch control, wheelie control, throttle blippers, other corner entry aids, corner by corner traction management and even ABS are all in there (I think). Thing is, given it is a production based race series, SHOULD they all be there? I would argue that one series should be able to be used as a development test bed for these things, as some of them (particularly TC and ABS) have indeed made modern bikes safer - but SURELY that should be the GP/prototype bikes, with the production bikes taking advantage of those developments only as and when they make it onto that manufacturers products?

As for Yamaha, I don't see them following Honda immediately if Honda did pull out. Interesting thought about whether Pedrosa and Marquez would be taken to SBK, although I suspect they are contracted to race in MotoGP for Honda, and if Honda had no bike for them they would be within their rights to go elsewhere?

I suppose they have both set out their stalls prior to negotiations, and will both need to compromise on what actually happens going forward.

Edited by team-myers - 10 Oct 2012 at 14:27
What's the worst that could possibly happen?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dangleebals Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Oct 2012 at 20:35
given that both M3 & M2 were pushed in by Honda (no more 2T's was there pledge)  I can see them playing hardball with this one too - although I think Ezpeleta will eventually give in for a while and call it a compromise.
I'm not that intersted in MGP anymore and tbh if they get rid of true prototypes (in time) then I can't see mself even bothering with the highlights show! quite happy to watch old Syksey throw around the Ninja.
 I agree that electronics should be regulated to a degree but without a control ecu it would be impossible to referee
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