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    Posted: 18 Jun 2013 at 20:27
Hi all bike is year a 2000 rsvr mille.
 
Having a think about the evo kit today has anyone run one of these kits without the k&n al1098 filter up front,ie total fresh air intake up front,and then covered the velocity stacks with something like this pipercross c1050 trumpet sock(http://www.pipercross.net/competition/products_socks.asp)this would remove the possibility of any crap getting into the engine if the evo box rubber seal was not sealing correctly to the underside of the tank,but with high volume airflow.
 
Just a thought regards matthew
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Originally posted by rollercam rollercam wrote:

Hi all bike is year a 2000 rsvr mille.
 
Having a think about the evo kit today has anyone run one of these kits without the k&n al1098 filter up front,ie total fresh air intake up front,and then covered the velocity stacks with something like this pipercross c1050 trumpet sock(http://www.pipercross.net/competition/products_socks.asp)this would remove the possibility of any crap getting into the engine if the evo box rubber seal was not sealing correctly to the underside of the tank,but with high volume airflow.
 
Just a thought regards matthew


Hi Matthew,
Seems like a logical idea to me from a practical and engine safety point of view. looks like no-one else has done it though from the lack of replies. There may be  a reason why its not a good solution and hopeful someone will notice this and comment in time.

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Originally posted by rollercam rollercam wrote:

Hi all bike is year a 2000 rsvr mille.
 
Having a think about the evo kit today has anyone run one of these kits without the k&n al1098 filter up front,ie total fresh air intake up front,and then covered the velocity stacks with something like this pipercross c1050 trumpet sock(http://www.pipercross.net/competition/products_socks.asp)this would remove the possibility of any crap getting into the engine if the evo box rubber seal was not sealing correctly to the underside of the tank,but with high volume airflow.
 
Just a thought regards matthew


Hi Matthew,

Looks like no-one has tried this from the lack of replies but it seems like a logical idea to me from an engine safety viewpoint. Maybe someone will spot this and reply in due course.

 

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I think that's because we just get an error, and no photo.
I have a setup like this:

Is this what you're onto?
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Originally posted by Johnboy Johnboy wrote:

I think that's because we just get an error, and no photo.
I have a setup like this:

Is this what you're onto?


http://www.pipercross.net/competition/products_socks.asp

There you go Thumbs Up

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My Internet is as slow as a slow thing on a very slow day!

If its a sock type foam filter, they have a couple of big drawbacks ( bit like an elephants foreskin)
They don't usually have a supporting mesh internal frame, which can cause suction into the trumpets, because of this they can catch fire!! Socking, so make sure they have N internal frame!!
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Originally posted by Johnboy Johnboy wrote:

My Internet is as slow as a slow thing on a very slow day!

If its a sock type foam filter, they have a couple of big drawbacks ( bit like an elephants foreskin)
They don't usually have a supporting mesh internal frame, which can cause suction into the trumpets, because of this they can catch fire!! Socking, so make sure they have N internal frame!!


Can you not get an oval K&N that would fit and would it be effective as a mod? I do like the idea of guaranteed filtering as it seems from many posts on here that the EVO kit is a sod to ensure it is sealed.

Can you tell us a bit about your mod then Johnboy? What did you use, is it sealed, what did you do with the airbox? Sorry if you have already posted the info as I'm new here.


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Originally posted by legend88 legend88 wrote:

Originally posted by Johnboy Johnboy wrote:

My Internet is as slow as a slow thing on a very slow day!

If its a sock type foam filter, they have a couple of big drawbacks ( bit like an elephants foreskin)
They don't usually have a supporting mesh internal frame, which can cause suction into the trumpets, because of this they can catch fire!! Socking, so make sure they have N internal frame!!


Can you not get an oval K&N that would fit and would it be effective as a mod? I do like the idea of guaranteed filtering as it seems from many posts on here that the EVO kit is a sod to ensure it is sealed.

Can you tell us a bit about your mod then Johnboy? What did you use, is it sealed, what did you do with the airbox? Sorry if you have already posted the info as I'm new here.




Hey, not a problem.
There are 2 trains of thought on this topic, from what I've gathered.
Both are down to personal taste.

The Evo airbox/ mod is a sealed system that you either throw away the top of your airbox, or remove most of it to leave a filter frame to hold the filter in, then create a seal around the existing airbox and underside of the tank. This is supposed to create a plenum chamber which gives forced induction at high speed (100+ to notice. Difference)
The other option is to use a (original name renegade , or hooked) airbox with no original airbox top or bottom, just a flat plate.
This has an open path from the front air intakes and keeps the original opening to provide cool air into the foam filter.
Some say the warm air from the engine inhibits cool dense air entering the engine, but that only makes sense when the bike is stationary, so ignore those opinions ( can you tell which one i have gone for yet?). It has no perceived ram effect like the Evo, however, it sounds much better and gives a similar performance gain.

So, it's up to you really, sealed evo, or open, glorious sounding hooked airbox!,
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Hi to all ,thanks for reposting the pipercross link tinman,i have a set of the pipercross filters but at the moment i am using an evo style airbox.
My main concern with the evo kit was the sealing to the tank,i have just tested mine over 2000 miles and the best method so far is to seal it with red rubber grease,and make sure the old foam is removed from the underside of the tank.I checked the airbox six times in this time period and the airbox is like new inside no dust no debris.
I am using the AL1098 K&N filter(the tall one)with a 20mm spacer on top of the filter to stop it moving around.The engine revs a lot more freely with this set up,also had throttle bodies balanced and co levels set,also one of eds chips and 16-44 gearing bike really flies now.Hope this helps.

Many thanks matthew.




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Hi Johnboy, I was never totally sure what  the renegade filter set up referred to as I had not seen another explanation so thanks for enlightening me.

Matthew, are you running a purchased EVO system as sold by Ed or a home made modified unit?

I am looking to modding my bike over the winter and looking at which way to go. I like the idea of keeping a sealed box (EVO) but my concern was sealing due to the open stacks (Leading towards a renegade style system). Both seem to have their supporters and I guess its seems to be pay your money and make your choice!

All further insight appreciated as any info will help the planning of my mods. I was thinking of the airbox (Of whichever kind) along with a modded collector and one of Ed's chips which seems to be the way to go without getting radical.
 
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Originally posted by legend88 legend88 wrote:


I am looking to modding my bike over the winter and looking at which way to go.

All further insight appreciated as any info will help the planning of my mods. I was thinking of the airbox (Of whichever kind) along with a modded collector and one of Ed's chips which seems to be the way to go without getting radical.
 
common performance mods on most bikes are,race can,race EPROM,modded collector and a modded airbox.

That coupled with gearing change will make the bike a whole heap of fun


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Originally posted by redratbike redratbike wrote:

Originally posted by legend88 legend88 wrote:


I am looking to modding my bike over the winter and looking at which way to go.

All further insight appreciated as any info will help the planning of my mods. I was thinking of the airbox (Of whichever kind) along with a modded collector and one of Ed's chips which seems to be the way to go without getting radical.
 
common performance mods on most bikes are,race can,race EPROM,modded collector and a modded airbox.

That coupled with gearing change will make the bike a whole heap of fun




Thanks, was going to talk to you about a collector.  Its an 01 RSv Mille 'R' and the only mod it's got at the moment is a Devil Titanium Oval can with removable DB killer. I also changed to a dual seat rear subframe so I can swap from seat cover to dual seat if needed. Did that for the ex and she went on it once!
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I have a Redratbike collector, very well thought out, and quality welding.
No reason to look elsewhere theyre tried and tested.
Get one on order I would suggest
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Hi legend88 the evo kit is one of eds units,the only other thing i will do is the collector mod,forgot to say i also have an akra slip on can.The difference with these mods from the standard setup is night and day.

Regards matthew.
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having completed the evo box ( home made ) , collector mod courtesy of my sooper dooper mate ( thankuuu! ) and chip from ed elliot , i can say you will have a very big grin on after you do this, mines an 01 rsvr  too and its super improved and i have not balanced tb's or co tuned yet. you crack on the throttle and its instantanious response and punchy as hell ! top gear overtakes on motorways are swift and effortless ... there is a seal i found which definately seals but when i couldnt get my tank to close i chopped it up thinking it was that which stopped it but it wasnt , it was the ethanol which has swollen the plassy tank, i elongated rear mount holes and it closes fine now using an earlier seal i got off fleabay but with a little bit of foam to seal small gap at back . once i get hold of another big seal again ill try it so it looks a lot neater. check my post about airbox seal, its a one piece seal too Smile

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sorry for blurted out post , mono sodium glutomates have got me wired from a cantonese meal earlier and im still bloody awake....
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Lol sounds good where can I find the 1 piece seal? I'll check your posts shortly. Also you about for a ride today?
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no ride today woodzy, only just woke up due to bloody cantonese food keeping me up till 6;30 this morning :-( plus i gotta fit some arb bushes to mates vw crafter and carry on putting dads golf pd back together ..... if weather is good one night this week? my temp moby no is 07876624935, i got in  my i5 till i get it unlocked - you got an iphone too? im not spending more money on it so if you have i can watsapp communicate for free via wifi. 

regardez the seal it was from work - ill find out how much they are, prob wont be cheap as it was a johnstone sweeper part! either way ill find out because i would rather have that decent seal back on for obvious reasons.
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thats the seal in question woodzy
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Can you let me know the part number of the seal? I may be able to order one through work
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Yes ill find out for you 😁
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How well does the filter fit in at the front?
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snug as a bug in a rug mate ! ive not put any foam on top of the filter and it hasnt come adrift, reckon where these plastic tanks distort its brought it up close to the underside of the tank to keep it secure :-)
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I've not forgotten bout getting the part no , I've been off work with my poggered ankle and I went to look for the seal yesters and its been bloody used ! I'm trying to suss out what it was via the job trail on the computer as I don't want to go ordering wrong part !!
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