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    Posted: 05 Dec 2018 at 02:27
OK, so given the general lack of activity and banter here during these depressing winter months, I have decided to help -so this winter recomissioning  thread for my RSV giving you'll a chance to pitch in with suggestions and answers to my never ending questions TongueWink
Things which need doing -
1)Head bearing replacement
2)Fork rebuild
3)shock linkage plate inspection and bearing replacement.
4)Clutch bleeding
5)rear brake bleeding
6)Clutch jet replacement
7)finding out the source of the very faint oil seepage and then fix it
8)Getting the stand switch to work again- currently disconnected


Things which I want to do
1)master cylinder upgrade
2)some carbon fibre covers for the swingram to hide the exhaust inflicted gouging!
3)clutch slave cylinder upgrade
4)shock linkage plate upgrade-thicker plates from aprilia performance?
5)Forza chip
6)Redrat collector upgrade
7)That brown connector upgrade
8)Battery upgrade(possibly to Lithium Ion-not sure!)

I'd go after the  'need doing' stuff first,in no specific order really, and then the'want' stuff.
But the head bearings is definitely the first thing to do. I have ordered some allballs tapered bearing kit. So here's my question-

How do I lift the front? I have the abba stand but not the front lifter. Donot want to spend £50 on it and sorry can't fab one myself as donot have that facility.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote constant Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Dec 2018 at 03:01
for the abba get the swingarm removal kit it is much better than the ones used in the pivot they screw into the foot rest part of the frame i left mine on and easier to get the bike on the stand then a bottle jack under the motor to lift the front
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote constant Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Dec 2018 at 03:14
i use marksman bearings they have all you need bearing wise they do linkage kit get johnboy starter cables you dont need lithium i used a chock block for the brown connector quick easy does the job 
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1)Head bearing replacement ball or taper? tapered just reread your postThumbs Up
2)Fork rebuild   thicker oil different springs/valves  or standard? for a bit of bling Griff can get them anodised in any colour you like
3)shock linkage plate inspection and bearing replacement. a must do on these bikes marksmen bearing kit as above
4)Clutch bleeding fit a bleed banjo bolt at the clutch m/c to help
5)rear brake bleeding use the hang the caliper up high trick
6)Clutch jet replacement fiddly but worth it for the price
7)finding out the source of the very faint oil seepage and then fix it where abouts is the leak, common  one is rocker cover gasket ?
8)Getting the stand switch to work again- currently disconnected strip and check wiring or new switch? remember mine caused loads of grief kept cutting the engine on one trip so unplugged it


Things which I want to do
1)master cylinder upgrade brembo or accossato £££..cheap upgrade rsv4 or ducati m/c or even gen2 item
2)some carbon fibre covers for the swingram to hide the exhaust inflicted gouging! pro-fiber I think ask diablo on here for feedback who he used  or chris wray on facebook makes them
3)clutch slave cylinder upgrade oberon or factory racing think the factory is half the price of the oberon
4)shock linkage plate upgrade-thicker plates from aprilia performance? ?think only gen2 thicker plates are available ? I may be wrong
5)Forza chip see Ed Elliot  on here for an fr200
6)Redrat collector upgrade yay! just let me know
7)That brown good idea
8)Battery upgrade(possibly to Lithium Ion-not sure!) these are good ask dog78, I run one and the weight saving is crazy , seems to spin the old rotax over ok you need a special charger


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lithium batteries are excellent. I dont know about you, but ive found that normal lead acid batteries seem to fail quicker and quicker. The one on my Tuareg would start to bulge after a few months. I checked the regulator rectifrier and it seemed to be with tolerance.
 Could be the makers of lead acid batteries are cutting corners.
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Yup,having had lead acid and now lithium there's no way I'd ever go back to old tec now.

Even if it was only for the extended life sat unattended it would be worth it, but adding in the weight saving and smaller size as well it's a no brainer for me

I was unconvinced but I took a leap of faith and I'm glad I did.  
  
Lead acid batteries belong in the same past as acetylene headlights.  Imho   Wink

Oh,and a set of Mr Walkers renowned uprated cables is a MUST HAVE for an older bike,the standard items were barely adequate when these bikes were new.

Also having experienced the difference once I fitted one of Mark's Modded collectors I can say that that I'd never have a single can system without it as it makes that much of a difference to the feel of the bike
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Ah good a winter thread Big smile

Quite comprehensive advice already.

The John Walker (Johnboy on here) heavy duty cable kit is a must. It makes more difference than most other electrical mods, but for best results, upgrade the battery and starter solenoid (150 amp) as well. As Ian sai, the original cables (spaghetti) were barely adequate to pass enough current when new, let alone 16+ years later. You will be surprised how easy it starts. Remove any corrosion you may find on the starter motor terminal carefully.

I've just gone for a lithium battery and charger, not enough experience with it to comment yet, but the weight difference is astounding. That's my main reason for having one. I have heard that they might not be so good with a parasitic drain, such as an alarm fitted.

Can't go wrong with Marks collector Thumbs Up

If you went for full length carbon swingarm covers, I'd recommend Pro-fiber. Bit more expensive, but these are pre-preg carbon, not the heavier wet lay and top quality. The chainside can be a bit of a faff to fit, because of the shape of the swingarm on that side. I don't use the supplied glue, as it would be too hard to remove. Had great results with silicone adhesive. Note not ordinary silicone. It glues as well, but far easier to remove if you change your mind. You can buy the short covers as well, that would cover exhaust chaffing on the arm, but probably not a dent from the silencer.

With the rear brake bleeding, cable tie the caliper as high as it will go to the rear subframe. You will need to twist it round as well so that the bleed nipple is at the very highest point. Also tap the lines etc every now and again, to help any air up to the nipple. Plenty of vids on youtube if you get stuck.

You never mentioned upgrading the sidestand. Is it already done, or wobbling precariously? Another must do  mod. Best stand is the USA spec one, if you can find one (hens teeth) second is the 04-07 Fireblade one. I think I saw a US spec one on Ebay with the foot tab broken off. Easy fix.

Tbh, I'd go for the front lifter at £50 for your ABBA superbike stand. It's a small investment that will pay you back in full. Easy fork removal etc, storing the bike with both wheels off the ground. Not keen on front paddock stands myself. You could get a headstock stand, which are good, but the cheapest I could find at a glance on Ebay was 97 quid for a new one.

The rear linkage bearings etc, should ideally be checked and repacked with grease every year or so, to be safe. Doesn't take long.

Post some pics of your progress as you go, always interesting to see. Good luck Wink


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Sorry for my late reply. Work has been insane, may be everyone wants everything get done before the festivities start. 
Thanks for all the replies guys, especially Redrat , IanG and Diablo for such detailed responses, much appreciated.

I haven't got going yet, just waiting for a dry weekend.
My biggest problem is I lack a garage, so everything gets done on the drive :(
This means I can't work in the rain, although can work during the night if it stays dry. Also very little DIY gets done on weekdays as I finish work in the evening.
It's a bit of a handicap, but I get by somehow-Last winter I did forks rebuild, caliper rebuild, throttle body sync, valve clearance adjustment and many other jobs on my cbr600 :)  

OK, as per suggestions, I have now added Johnboy cables in my list of wants. Btw i already have hitachi 150A solenoid and a 14V battery.
I had already ordered allballs, so will look at marksman when I reach the linkage, which is a later item.

The allballs head bearings and carbon cover have arrived. These are short covers as I didn't quite fancy the full swingarm covers(plus they were expensive). These are gloss, think would have liked matt better, but whatever!get cracking
I am waiting on the abba front lift now, will  get cracking when it arrives.

@Diablo- Yes I did the blackbird stand mod soon after I got the bike. It touches the fairing when retracted, so that has to be sorted. The bike feels lot more stable when stood on it now, no worries there. I want the switch working as well as the PO had disconnected it like many others here. I am thinking of somehow adapting the blackbird switch -can it be done? 
Also what 'special silicone' did you use for the covers? 

@redrat- for the fork rebuild, I was thinking ktech/hyperpro/ohlins spings for my weight and some thicker oil. Haven't seen any valve kits, are there any available for reasonable money? What is recommended compression, rebound or both kits? IF too expensive I'll just replace spring, bushing and seals :) With the master cyclinder, was looking at the brembo 19rcs, but a video on youtube said it touches the clock on full lock? Is there any master cylinder which surely works/fits on the gen1? 

Given so much love for LiIon in the replies, think will surely go for it. My only concern is the sprag. Have seen videos where they say LiIon batteries need warming up with several start attempts. Would it not eat the sprag on our bikes? How has your experience been like guys on cold morning starts?
Also which brand? Shido seems not asking silly money-any good?

Which seals for the fork jobs? I see a pair on the cheap here-
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FORK-SEALS-OIL-AND-DUST-SET-APRILIA-RSV-MILLE-2001-2003/223185442615
Are these any good? For my CBR I always went with oem for pretty much everything. But Honda parts were cheaper and plentiful.
Think I'll now try to amass the parts as well and not wait for a particular job to finish and then order for the next job. That way this thread can progress smoothly as well :)

Here are the items I received today


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with johnboys cables the sprag should be fine with the battery i think i read that you turn the lights on to warm it up i like the short carbon covers too i know what you mean about working on the bike outside i was meant to exchange contracts last week on a house with garage got another bike ready to mess around with and the buyer pulled out at the last minute very annoyed looking forward to your progress
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Originally posted by aaressveeguy aaressveeguy wrote:


The allballs head bearings and carbon cover have arrived. These are short covers as I didn't quite fancy the full swingarm covers(plus they were expensive). These are gloss, think would have liked matt better, but whatever!get cracking


I've got matt carbon front guard and hugger on my Tuono. I bought a carbon dash cover in gloss and just re lacquered it in matt. Halfords do a decent matt lacquer in a rattle can.
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AS far as the Li on battery needing warming,I just turn the ignition and and leave it for a couple of seconds. Although I only have one fitted to my Gen2 atm so the lights come on automatically.

Regarding fork seals the only ones I'd consider buying are the green SKF items,they are more expensive but the difference in quality is worth it,almost zero stiction which makes the fork action much more supple and responsive


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