rsvr.net Forums Homepage
Forum Home Forum Home > General Chat > General Chat
  New Posts New Posts RSS Feed - Is chain final drive outdated? Discuss.
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Events   Register Register  Login Login

Is chain final drive outdated? Discuss.

 Post Reply Post Reply
Author
Message
Wavestarved View Drop Down
Premium Member
Premium Member
Avatar

Joined: 15 Oct 2012
Location: Up sh*t creek
Status: Offline
Points: 2310
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Wavestarved Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Topic: Is chain final drive outdated? Discuss.
    Posted: 06 Apr 2013 at 14:15
Just had a mad natter with my wife about her love of cleaning and how if she wanted she could clean the chain on my bike. Anyway, she reckons that in this day and age of efficient energy transference and computer gadgetry etc we should've come up with something cleaner and more efficient than an oily old chain to get the power from the engine to the back wheel. I explained about shaft drive and even the type of direct drive you get on some scooters but she still reckons that a chain on a bike is like buying a pair of jimmy choo (whoever the fk he is) shoes and putting Morrisons laces in them.So, thoughts and ideas please.
Back to Top
camngetit View Drop Down
Premium Member
Premium Member
Avatar

Joined: 28 May 2009
Location: nottingham uk
Status: Offline
Points: 1154
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote camngetit Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Apr 2013 at 15:03
Still one of the best ways to transmit drive to the back if in good cond , shaft drive has it's own pros and cons as do belts
its twins for me !!!!
www.apriliaperformance.co.uk
www.apriliaforum.co.uk
www.apriliaownersclub.co.uk
Back to Top
redratbike View Drop Down
Moderator Group
Moderator Group
Avatar
The Collector Messiah

Joined: 07 May 2008
Status: Online
Points: 14860
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote redratbike Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Apr 2013 at 15:53
plasma drive? ha ha  in reality if a better way had been found then surely it would have found its way onto to the market these days??
or is there too much money at stake for the chain manurfacturers????


www.apriliaperformance.co.uk
www.apriliaforum.co.uk
www.apriliaownersclub.co.uk
Back to Top
A303 View Drop Down
Premium Member
Premium Member
Avatar

Joined: 15 Jul 2008
Location: Wiltshire
Status: Offline
Points: 1227
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote A303 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Apr 2013 at 15:54
There are probably several different ways of doing it differently - fluid transfer, electrical, etc. - but it all comes down to cost and whether we'd buy it.
Even BMW on the most technologically advanced bike ever built, still use a chain. Which tells you something.
Back to Top
sexy red rdv View Drop Down
Moto3 racer
Moto3 racer


Joined: 27 Jan 2013
Location: Halifax
Status: Offline
Points: 51
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote sexy red rdv Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Apr 2013 at 18:08
yes pita shaft drive for me next time

Back to Top
joe 90 View Drop Down
Premium Member
Premium Member
Avatar
Chief Stator tester

Joined: 11 Feb 2008
Status: Offline
Points: 1975
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote joe 90 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Apr 2013 at 18:21
Been on a shaft drive bmw hp2 horrible ,... you try to use the gears as a brake like on a chain drive , bloody shaft ships and jumps around. 
www.spoonztuning.co.uk
I Luv Ducati's

Discount Ducati breakdown cover call joe 0800 998 999
Back to Top
strongbow View Drop Down
Moto3 racer
Moto3 racer


Joined: 09 May 2012
Status: Offline
Points: 14
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote strongbow Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Apr 2013 at 20:07
Chain drive is still the most efficient and least power losing drive between engine and wheel. Thats why they still use them in racing. On shaft drives about 15 percent of power is lost in the changes of direction. They are a pain in the arse but they are the best we have got at the moment. Also scottoilers are quite good.
Back to Top
Wavestarved View Drop Down
Premium Member
Premium Member
Avatar

Joined: 15 Oct 2012
Location: Up sh*t creek
Status: Offline
Points: 2310
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Wavestarved Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Apr 2013 at 22:00
This was my thoughts on it too, I quite like my oily old chains.
Back to Top
davidrsurfer View Drop Down
Premium Member
Premium Member
Avatar

Joined: 22 Feb 2011
Location: North Devon
Status: Online
Points: 2354
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote davidrsurfer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Apr 2013 at 22:13
Bloody good excuse to spend some time with the one you love cleaning her chain.
Back to Top
joe 90 View Drop Down
Premium Member
Premium Member
Avatar
Chief Stator tester

Joined: 11 Feb 2008
Status: Offline
Points: 1975
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote joe 90 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Apr 2013 at 22:19
Helps me get around corners , with all the chain lube spraying onto the back tyre . Big smile
www.spoonztuning.co.uk
I Luv Ducati's

Discount Ducati breakdown cover call joe 0800 998 999
Back to Top
pieman View Drop Down
Premium Member
Premium Member
Avatar

Joined: 27 Jul 2010
Location: South Essex
Status: Offline
Points: 626
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote pieman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Apr 2013 at 17:49
belt drives have come on in leaps and bounds. Not sure if they'll ever be quite as reliable as a chain though.
One day Rodney, We'll be Mille Owners
Back to Top
Wavestarved View Drop Down
Premium Member
Premium Member
Avatar

Joined: 15 Oct 2012
Location: Up sh*t creek
Status: Offline
Points: 2310
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Wavestarved Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Apr 2013 at 18:05
Cleaned my bike today, can't believe how much sh*te there was all over my beautiful wheels, had to get an engine degreasant on the rear to shift all the manky lube. Looking pretty again now!
Back to Top
Loudish Les View Drop Down
Premium Member
Premium Member
Avatar

Joined: 03 May 2012
Location: Liverpoolshire
Status: Offline
Points: 306
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Loudish Les Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Apr 2013 at 22:51
Problem with belt drives is they do stretch,yes chains stretch to but you get away with it because when the chain climbs the tooth it re tensions its self,belts on the other hand dont need much slack before they jump,look at car cam drives over the past few years,more and more manufactures are going over to chain driven cams,they must know something,gears would be the next step in efficient drives but you'll have to fit a sh*t load into the swing arm to transfer the power
Les Tap

Loud pipes ?,Ive sh*t em
Back to Top
rossie View Drop Down
Moto GP Alien
Moto GP Alien


Joined: 05 Jun 2011
Location: Ilpendam, NL
Status: Offline
Points: 271
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote rossie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Apr 2013 at 16:22
The best continuous brake is gears in oil. Check the (non-) economy on those sh*t 4X4's. They have a gearbox and (if it's a real 4X4) three differentials.
No, chains rule. I love the wining noise they sometimes make.
Back to Top
426hemi View Drop Down
Premium Member
Premium Member

owner of the big bore!

Joined: 30 Mar 2012
Location: cannock
Status: Offline
Points: 3987
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote 426hemi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Apr 2013 at 16:54
Chain lube should cure that.
Back to Top
Loudish Les View Drop Down
Premium Member
Premium Member
Avatar

Joined: 03 May 2012
Location: Liverpoolshire
Status: Offline
Points: 306
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Loudish Les Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Apr 2013 at 19:25
sh*t MPG 4x4's ?????? You haven't been out in one lately then have you ?,during our snow the other month I had my Navara in 4 wheel drive high for a week coz of the ice patches and got 32 mpg,Hmmm,I wouldn't say that was bad for a vehicle that weighs close to 2 1/2 tons
Les Tap

Loud pipes ?,Ive sh*t em
Back to Top
camngetit View Drop Down
Premium Member
Premium Member
Avatar

Joined: 28 May 2009
Location: nottingham uk
Status: Offline
Points: 1154
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote camngetit Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Apr 2013 at 21:50
Diesels are getting less economical due to emission laws
its twins for me !!!!
www.apriliaperformance.co.uk
www.apriliaforum.co.uk
www.apriliaownersclub.co.uk
Back to Top
rossie View Drop Down
Moto GP Alien
Moto GP Alien


Joined: 05 Jun 2011
Location: Ilpendam, NL
Status: Offline
Points: 271
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote rossie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Apr 2013 at 20:50
32 mpg? Must be a diesel...
Back to Top
rossie View Drop Down
Moto GP Alien
Moto GP Alien


Joined: 05 Jun 2011
Location: Ilpendam, NL
Status: Offline
Points: 271
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote rossie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Apr 2013 at 20:52
All the gears are in motion when not in four wheel drive, by the way?
Back to Top
426hemi View Drop Down
Premium Member
Premium Member

owner of the big bore!

Joined: 30 Mar 2012
Location: cannock
Status: Offline
Points: 3987
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote 426hemi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Apr 2013 at 20:57
Got a mitsubishi outlander at work and went to gloucester in it today averaged between 80,85 mph and fuel averaged 40,44mpg not bad for a 4x4.
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply
  Share Topic   

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down

Forum Software by Web Wiz Forums® version 12.00
Copyright ©2001-2018 Web Wiz Ltd.

This page was generated in 0.047 seconds.