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badapple
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hahaha I'm half most people!
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nitroargi
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Could someone weight the stock seat of an early Mille for me? Got a new idea for saving a few grams
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nitroargi
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Damn the seat alone weights 707gr...need to figure out how to reduce it!
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Jollygiant
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My whole seat unit and the extra box I have to bolt to the subframe to support the seat base only weighs 1kg.
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legend88
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What including the seat itself, how did you achieve that?
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Jollygiant
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By being awesome and using carbon and race foam.
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wigginsjp
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And modest 🤘🏻✌🏻😂
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Aprilia RSVR Factory 2007 V2 1060cc Big Bore
Aprilia RSVR Factory 2004 Race Bike Kawasaki ZX10R 2007 Race Bike Aprilia Tuono V4 1100 Factory 2020 www.apriliaperformance.co.uk www.apworkshops.co.uk |
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wigginsjp
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Speaking of your awesomeness Jolly.
What bits bar the hooked air box do you do to suit race bikes shedding weight? Will you branch out into panels? Also...has anyone removed the large expansion bottle for one of those race type bottles yet? That would save an amount. I'm thinking of it just working out where to stick the thing on the bike
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Aprilia RSVR Factory 2007 V2 1060cc Big Bore
Aprilia RSVR Factory 2004 Race Bike Kawasaki ZX10R 2007 Race Bike Aprilia Tuono V4 1100 Factory 2020 www.apriliaperformance.co.uk www.apworkshops.co.uk |
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nitroargi
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Original expansion tank weights 215gr and a smaller HRC bottle weights only 35gr.
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BRG
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Here's an example expansion bottle (not the best of pictures, I'm afraid): The
plastic, screw-cap bottle sits in a circular sheet alloy cup, which is
fastened to my home-made regulator/rectifier bracket. The bottle has a
hole punched in it near the cap, through which the expansion tube
passes. The tube goes to the base of the bottle and I covered it with
about 2 cm of coolant for a run. The theory was that this arrangement was lighter and sits further forward, putting more of the bike's weight on the front. |
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BRG
https://c9932541.myzen.co.uk/brgw/ '05 Ducati MTS 1000S DS 'Neppomuk' "[...] a nugget of purest green" '06 Aprilia RSV 1000 R Factory 'Nibelung' |
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wigginsjp
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thanks guys.
I may have a look during these dark days BRG. I saw you at Mallory about three years ago I have that exact bottle as it goes nitroargi |
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Aprilia RSVR Factory 2007 V2 1060cc Big Bore
Aprilia RSVR Factory 2004 Race Bike Kawasaki ZX10R 2007 Race Bike Aprilia Tuono V4 1100 Factory 2020 www.apriliaperformance.co.uk www.apworkshops.co.uk |
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badapple
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https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F223333200460
Found this whilst bored looking at things I can't afford hahaha might be good for someone with deeper pockets.
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Jollygiant
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Everything here I will do panels when I can get the parts to fit and look how I want them too and then I just have to raise the money for the moulds, which will be about 2k total for nose cone, side panels and belly pan moulds
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BRG
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Whoever you were, you deserve my undying thanks....I was about to throw my Prilly in a skip, but, thanks to Griff, I now wouldn't part with for a shed-load of tea.
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BRG
https://c9932541.myzen.co.uk/brgw/ '05 Ducati MTS 1000S DS 'Neppomuk' "[...] a nugget of purest green" '06 Aprilia RSV 1000 R Factory 'Nibelung' |
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wigginsjp
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I'd like to pretend I was that guy as he just of known his beans. But no, When I met you it was around October 2015 I thought though I did mention Griff also but I was aware you knew him (or of him) by then. You had bike issues and on off road moment possibly at the hairpin and were making adjustments. Did also see your bike at AP a couple of times on visits etc
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Aprilia RSVR Factory 2007 V2 1060cc Big Bore
Aprilia RSVR Factory 2004 Race Bike Kawasaki ZX10R 2007 Race Bike Aprilia Tuono V4 1100 Factory 2020 www.apriliaperformance.co.uk www.apworkshops.co.uk |
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BRG
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BRG
https://c9932541.myzen.co.uk/brgw/ '05 Ducati MTS 1000S DS 'Neppomuk' "[...] a nugget of purest green" '06 Aprilia RSV 1000 R Factory 'Nibelung' |
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BRG
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Time for a weigh-in before the start of a new season...
2006 Gen-2 RSVR (Track) ------------------------------------ Measured: Fuel 12 lit, coolant full, oil full, forks full, video camera, Smaltmoto cans + full 2-stage baffles. JL (real):Soehnle(reading) scales factor = 105.4/104.0 = 1.01346153846154 Weight front = 93.2 kg (50.5%) Weight rear = 91.2 kg (49.5%) Bike dry = 170.3 kg Bike +00 lit fuel = 176.1 kg Bike +12 lit fuel = 184.5 kg Bike +18 lit fuel = 188.7 kg Rider + track gear = 113.0 kg Total = 301.7 kg The bike's 2.25 kg up on last year. There have been a few changes, which may account for this: * Sebimoto vs. 4V Products fairing; * stainless vs. alloy Dzus clips. * standard coolant expansion tank vs. homemade bottle; * dual vs. single cable twist-grip |
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BRG
https://c9932541.myzen.co.uk/brgw/ '05 Ducati MTS 1000S DS 'Neppomuk' "[...] a nugget of purest green" '06 Aprilia RSV 1000 R Factory 'Nibelung' |
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blacklines
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Thanks for that BRG. Got to be one of the most detailed weigh ins of an RSV I've seen on the internet. That doesn't seem too heavy does it. I imagine the gen 1 is a bit heavier still but it feels to be about 20-30kg heavier than GSXRs etc. Maybe because the weight is higher so you feel it more pushing it about.
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IanG
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Going by what a couple of ex members on here who defected to Gixxer 750 track bikes say,there is a world of difference in how they ride weight wise. Both said the power is about the same but the Gixxer's take a fraction of the effort to ride at the same speed leaving you with much more time to concentrate on what matters. |
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blacklines
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Yeah in a lot of ways I think GSXR 750s are better for the track. The power may be similiar but I heard you lose all drive unless you exit on high revs. Think they make a decent amount more at the top end to compensate though. So unless you make silly mistakes they should be quicker, plus they will corner faster.
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BRG
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In 2014 & 2015 (when my prilly spent the whole year at the doctor's), I hired several bikes from Smallboy (Matt Waldron, wonderful chap): GSXR600, GSXR750 & CBR1000RR. Of these, the 600 was fun, but underpowered for my weight; the 750 was a super machine and a good candidate track bike. The Blade had more wumph, but not as much as my (1060) prilly and had a more pronounced power band, whereas by prilly has a lovely flat torque curve (the 5-6k dip having been ironed out). Regarding agility, my prilly is tuned to my riding style, so it's difficult to compare with the general set-up of a hire bike. That said, none of them struck me as better than my prilly!
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BRG
https://c9932541.myzen.co.uk/brgw/ '05 Ducati MTS 1000S DS 'Neppomuk' "[...] a nugget of purest green" '06 Aprilia RSV 1000 R Factory 'Nibelung' |
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blacklines
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More wumph than a 'blade? Do you mind me asking how much money and hassle the 1060 conversion cost you? I'd always discounted the idea thinking it would be better buying a 4 cylinder 1000cc if I want more power. Handling wise I'd always heard RSVs are great for stability but less so for agility. I'm a similar size to you (6'6" and approaching 110kg) so it feels really easy to throw the Mille about. Although I haven't tried a modern Japanese bike to compare and see what I'm missing.
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BRG
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Hi blacklines,
Difficult to give the exact cost of the 1060 (done by Griff at AP), as there was so much other work done at the same time. The basic bits (in 2015) were: 1060 big bore = £1650 PC5 = £325 Evo airbox = £120 Remap £195 Total £2290 (You'd have to check with Griff for the current prices.) Here's the dyno: http://www.zen50505.zen.co.uk/RSVR.NET/201510928-RSVR-AP;1-PCR_Dyno.png The standard Gen2 seemed to be on a par with fast 600s when I fist tracked it in 2008. Moving to a big-bore allowed me to play with the then-current Jap inline 4s and Duc 1098. But the goal-posts have moved significantly since then and I can't hold a candle to the speed of the current super-sport bikes. At the end of the day, I prefer the more lugubrious power delivery of a V-twin.
Suspension is always going to be subjective, but,as I say, mine has been tuned to suit my style (or lack of it). FYI, I run: Front spring rate = 10.5 N/mm Front compression = -6 from full tight Front rebound = -6 from full tight Front preload = 9 mm (=turns) from full slack Front pull-through = 4 notches visible Front oil level = 80 (with spring) Rear spring rate = 100 N/mm Rear compression = -7 from full tight Rear rebound = -11 from full tight Rear preload = 13.6 mm Steering damper = -10 from full tight HTH |
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BRG
https://c9932541.myzen.co.uk/brgw/ '05 Ducati MTS 1000S DS 'Neppomuk' "[...] a nugget of purest green" '06 Aprilia RSV 1000 R Factory 'Nibelung' |
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blacklines
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Thanks for that! Not cheap but less than I was expecting for the big bore. I appreciate your suspension settings too as we are a similar size. Your spring rates are interesting compared to mine. I went up to 11.1 kg/mm on the Sachs shock to give me 10mm/28mm sag free/static. I changed the oil in the Showa forks and wonder if the previous owner uprated the springs. They seemed very thick and hard to compress. Did you revalve the forks or shock?
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BRG
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Hi blacklines, I did revalve the forks (back in 2010) in an attempt to emulate the solid feel of the FG5100s on a Ducati 999R Xerox that I'd ridden: ...but I didn't notice any difference (thick-skinned, moi?) If you're interested, you can find the specs at: RSVR=http://www.zen50505.zen.co.uk/AF1Forum/Ohlins_FG8903_Aprilia_RSV1000R_OEM.pdf
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At the end of the day, at our level, it's only a bit of fun, isn't it? http://www.zen50505.zen.co.uk/BRG/2017/20170611MalloryPark/20170611mallorypark/04-gerard_s_png.jpeg |
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BRG
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blacklines
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Ah fair enough. To be honest with the different pistons (and I'm assuming different stacks to get same result from the different pistons) I can't make heads or tails of that ha. Yes it is all just a bit of fun really. I',m so far from the top that most changes are just to make it suit me for comfort and feel. |
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badapple
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Wow that's VERY impressive! Must feel like a 600 with that kind of weight loss. What's the bigger improvement 1060 or dropping 30+ kilos?
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BRG
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Hi badapple, That's difficult to say, as I went from 208 kg/117 hp in 2008 to 185 kg/139 hp in 2009 in one step. That step was VERY impressive, and, as I mentioned in one of my posts above, changed my sparring partners from 600s to 1000 I4s & Duc 1098. The bike's been in or around the 170 kg (dry) ever since. There was a clear performance step when I blew an engine and had to revert to a standard 997 and again when I occasionally put the bike in the kitty litter and have to revert to stock cans while my Ti cans are repaired (OEM are 6 kg heavier than my Ti cans). Not to mention the 5kg difference between starting a session with 12 lit fuel and ending with 5 lit. Last, but not least is the state of the lard-arse on top and the catalogue of his inlet and exhaust for the day :( Here are some theoretical values for comparison: |
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BRG
https://c9932541.myzen.co.uk/brgw/ '05 Ducati MTS 1000S DS 'Neppomuk' "[...] a nugget of purest green" '06 Aprilia RSV 1000 R Factory 'Nibelung' |
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badapple
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Very interesting mate thanks for that. I'd love to see what it feels like to ride a Gen2 with so much weight loss. Mines currently playing up and I've got the tank and side fairing off and moving it around is like pushing a 400 around must be a great improvement and coupled with the power gains it must feel like a totally different machine
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