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    Posted: 21 Sep 2018 at 08:04
Hi all

I'm looking to join the happy world of RSV ownership and have decided on a gen 2 RSV1000R Factory. 

The bike I'm looking at is very early (03) and want to know what model changes happened to the gen 2 which could steer me away from buying such an early one.

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gen2 were from model year 2004, although production started august 2003.
The gen2 has a bad reputation canbus electrics, and it fried the alternator at regular intervals. Other gen2 problems were breaking shock links.

keep the link lubed. The mileage reset when the batteries got low (so there are many 16 owner 2,500 mile worn out gen2 out there lol)
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Thanks a lot for the year info, was wondering why it was an 03 when I thought they started from 04. Also much appreciated about the shocklink tip, wasn't aware of this and will check it out on the bike I'm going to look at.

Do you know if there were any model changes to the gen 2? I saw one advert for a later model that said it was the 'facelift' version but they all look very similar, apart from amber to clear indicators.
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There is no bad rep for Gen2's by the way from anyone who knows what they are talking about. Every bike of every make post about 04 is using CAN bus. There were a few link failures mainly due to bad maintenance (which affects Gen1 also) but less than 1% of bikes sold so hardly an issue. I had my Gen2 for 5 years and it was uber reliable.

The original Gen2 was pretty much unchanged from sept 03 to 05 apart from colours and a brake change to the base model. In 06 there was an engine upgrade and cosmetic changes and the base model got better forks etc. There were minor revisions up until 09 but nothing major.

Main thing to watch out for on early bikes is a service history to back up the mileage as the very early bikes would reset the mileage to 000 if the batt got disconnected for any length of time. So be wary of very low mileage bikes unless it's backed up by paperwork. Also check it has had the recall for the updated swingarm done (which is free)
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Much appreciated for the detailed reply, just what I wanted to know.

The bike I'm interested in is advertised at 16,000 miles, but looking on gov.uk the MOT history has it at 3,000. What I'm most interested in is finding out how 'service history' can track the genuine mileage when the clocks and MOT's are wrong. Any advice on this very welcome. Apologies in advance if I've missed something!

Thanks also for mentioning the swingarm recall, I had forgotten about this so will check.
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He has added the before the speedo reset 13,000 to since it reset 3,000 = 16,000 . 
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Originally posted by Jambon Jambon wrote:

Much appreciated for the detailed reply, just what I wanted to know.

The bike I'm interested in is advertised at 16,000 miles, but looking on gov.uk the MOT history has it at 3,000. What I'm most interested in is finding out how 'service history' can track the genuine mileage when the clocks and MOT's are wrong. Any advice on this very welcome. Apologies in advance if I've missed something!

Thanks also for mentioning the swingarm recall, I had forgotten about this so will check.
 
The service history won't guarantee the mileage claimed is 100% correct but it will show you an anomaly exists. You have to then make a call as to whether you trust the claimed mileage and matches the condition etc.

Assuming the bike has service history you should get a feel for the annual mileage of previous owners so that will give you a rough idea. Rotax engines will do big miles if looked after so don't be put off by that alone. Plenty out there well north of 50K
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That's makes sense, thanks a lot for explaining.

The only other question I have is if the clock resets again, or if it's been reset several times doesn't make it very complicated?

Apologies if this is a noob question and the clock can only be reset once. I have this fear of buying a lovely bike but not being able to prove the milage when I eventually come to sell.
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Thanks for that, sounds fairly encouraging considering the bike I'm interested in has had 1 owner and looks in very good condition. As explained I'll make sure to study the paperwork as apparently it has a full service history. Cheers guys
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It can reset 1000's of times if the owner(s) wish it. All you have to do is take the main battery out and run down the small battery in the clocks.
 The best way to see the mileage is to look at the MOT history.


the Mot mileage is done every Mot. Seeing its one owner he/she probably has a posting history. Most Aprilias are enthusiast owned, get serviced by an Aprilia dealer (like AP - who know how to look after these exceptional bikes)

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Originally posted by Jambon Jambon wrote:

That's makes sense, thanks a lot for explaining.

The only other question I have is if the clock resets again, or if it's been reset several times doesn't make it very complicated?

Apologies if this is a noob question and the clock can only be reset once. I have this fear of buying a lovely bike but not being able to prove the milage when I eventually come to sell.
 
If it still has the original clocks then they can reset infinite times potentially if the clocks lose power. Mine were replaced under warranty for the issue so they may not be the original ones still on there. 

The fact they have reset needs to be negotiated in the price you buy for, but I wouldn't expect it to be a big discount if it has enough history to prove the mileage is around what is claimed.
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You won't be disappointed they are fantastic machines I own a 55plt RSVR Factory,  my 2nd and 3rd Gen2,  and I absolutely love it. Spoonz has covered all the usual things to watch for. Plenty of advice on here for servicing and emptying the wallet on tasty bling. There are some real bargains to be had especially this time of year good luck.
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This is the bike I'm going to view, so speak now or forever hold your peace etc... Much appreciated to all who has helped with info, it's really appreciated.
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Looks clean enough and original apart from the cans.
 
If your physically going to view it, look behind the exhaust link pipes at the swing arm on both sides. If they are ever dropped the exhaust pushes against the swing arm and marks it. If there are no marks, chances are the bike has never had any mishaps.
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Do all the gen 2 have Colin Edwards one side of the tank and Haga on the other ?
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Originally posted by Jambon Jambon wrote:

This is the bike I'm going to view, so speak now or forever hold your peace etc... Much appreciated to all who has helped with info, it's really appreciated.

Nice bike with some decent add ons I've had those arrows and they sound fantastic. Would be great if you can get all the stock parts with it. It's a little pricey for that year but being from a dealer probably about right you could get a newer one with similar mileage etc and the updated STATOR/flywheel privately but if you are happy with it she lookslike a welll cared for example. 
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Originally posted by Af1 Af1 wrote:


Do all the gen 2 have Colin Edwards one side of the tank and Haga on the other ?

No only the first run on a 53plt I think didn't have it on my 04 bike.
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Originally posted by Spoonz Spoonz wrote:

Looks clean enough and original apart from the cans.
 
If your physically going to view it, look behind the exhaust link pipes at the swing arm on both sides. If they are ever dropped the exhaust pushes against the swing arm and marks it. If there are no marks, chances are the bike has never had any mishaps.

Great info, glad I created an account and asked the experts :)
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Originally posted by badapple badapple wrote:

Nice bike with some decent add ons I've had those arrows and they sound fantastic. Would be great if you can get all the stock parts with it. It's a little pricey for that year but being from a dealer probably about right you could get a newer one with similar mileage etc and the updated STATOR/flywheel privately but if you are happy with it she lookslike a welll cared for example. 

I'd worked that out myself regarding the price. I know you'll always get more spending your money privately, which is normally my preference but part of this is to improve my credit rating (paying on credit card). I'll go stand in front of the bike and see how I feel, what's appealing is the one owner, full service history and what looks like great condition.
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looks good to me pal,and bonus with the arrows,
hard finding decent cans after youve bought the bike,and theres 2 to buy for the gen 2,so not cheap!

is it deffo a gen 2 your after?
very nice bikes,just thinking youd save a few quid getting a nice gen 1 R model,
i love the black frame gen 1 last of the line with the gold wheels personally.

both superb bikes either way.black looks mint when all polished up and clean.
youll love it mate,nothing like a v twin.
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Yep finding one with Arrows or Akros already was a must for me, no way I'd be able to afford them if they weren't already fitted. I know I'm preaching to the choir but makes them even better value 2nd hand.

Yep definitely want a gen 2, blame that Mr Sparky chap from YouTube. Always had screaming inline 4's so have a feeling I might enjoy this...
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Silver or black one's are better lol.you won't regret it bud loverly bikes Wink
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There is no bad issue with these. I've owned then since the beginning, he connectors need maintenance, the dog bone needs maintenance, the fairing fittings need not to be overtightened and they need maintenance. Obvious stuff

This bike is not 1 owner it's 2 which is fine, but not wishing you to feel misled. They say clearly one previous keeper which means current and original. The bars are not original Aprilia. The rear shock looks like the preload adjustment collars may be chewed up but I can't see nay closer.

It actually looks in nice condition. Bikes with frame sliders tend to be track bikes, yes I know they could also be to look after the bike but on these, it is for track usually. What I would do, is ask to see under the side panels. I doubt very much a good vendor will object and it takes two minutes a side. This tells you they come off easily which you need to know, and it allows you to check wiring beneath, see if the immobiliser module wiring under the left front is ok, and the brown connector and the yellow wires leading into it are not turning brown on the right front, you should be able to separate this connector and see clean terminals. The left side has a six pin connector you also need to see inside to check for clean terminals, this one runs the clocks and will stop the bike on the move potentially when corroded. The main purpose though, is to see that the oil tank and in particular the radiator, are not dented, and it gives you the chance to see more of the engine.

Under the rider seat on the left subframe spar should be a while sticker hole punched with the market area (country) and the year which will say 04, and not that you'll see it, but the frame cross bar under the tank, or in front of the shock will be stamped with the frame year which will be 03, and you reg will be a 53, as the bikes weren't out until the September or just after.

The tenth digit (I think) in the frame number on the right of the headstock will also be a 3 signifying the build year.

It does look clean. As for price, forget what the cheapskates say, these are worth 4.5k all day long even the oldest, and arguably the 04my was the best of the lot, not affected by emissions related changes to the engine, and the late 04my was a peach, having the later coolant temp sender, crank sensor, and map variant two was smooth, the suspension more balanced imo.

The colour schemes remained unchanged into 2004, and the lions head graphics bikes with clear lenses that I never liked, came out later in 04 for 05my. For 2006 the bikes lost OZ wheels and gained split fairings and Ohlins forks, which was the start of the decline for me. In 07 for 08my the frames went gold with gold wheels, which I did like the look of in black, but 04 wins always.

Another thing to check is the frame directly behind the pegs, as they hit and often actually stamp the frame if the bike goes over, plus check all four bolts are intact holding the airway onto the frame and no fractured plastic, plus check the vacuum pod is still on the right side of it, with two vac pipes going to it on the bottom right, seen just behind the right headlight.


Under the rear seat pod there is one solitary bolt holding the seat undertray to the rear most short subframe crossbar just in front of the rear light, it is also worth checking this is present, as if the subframe is distorted sometimes it doesn't fit, and if the back of the bike has been pushed, the same also. I would say check to see if there are all three mounts for each headlight too, as these can break off and people use the remaining two. This bike does look clean though, and a shop won't let you look at all this stuff.

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Thanks very much for the very detailed information, really useful resource this forum. Who would have thought?!

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I BLOODY LOVE V-TWINS. Was a blast to ride and had so much character, also the components looks like jewelry compared to the Japanese bikes I'm used to. Potentially 3 bad things though:

- The bike doesn't look to have the updated swingarm. I've called a local Aprilia dealer with the reg and they're looking into it. I basically want to know if I can get it replaced for free. The first dealer I called said there's nothing they can do without the recall letter to the original owner, which is strange as it's only had one owner from new.

- The bike wouldn't fire when I went to test ride it. They lifted the tank and plugged something in that was disconnected and was fine after.

- There's no dealer service stamps since 2012. The previous owner did all the services himself since 2012, even if the mileage is squiffy I'd hoped the dealer stamps would give some credence to 16,000 being the minimum mileage.

If I can resolve the swing arm issue I'll make an offer. Any advice welcome!

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is there regular reciepts for the owner doing the services himself?
not good to advertise as full service history otherwise?!
6 yrs worth need accounting for,more so due too there being questions over mileage accuracy.
id be wanting a discount if i was happy with the bike but tbh id be happy id tested one and really liked it,
then id be looking for another same model  mate.
it could work out a good bike but id be weary just from it not starting first go (could be simple explanation but its always a worry with these with the sprag ect)
id be wanting to see a nice healthy fire up 1st go,and being a 1 owner from new,
id like to have seen the swinger recall already done?!

dont just jump in pal following your heart.
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look at the mot history. link further up the page. Very few motorcycles outside of warrenty get serviced every year. Its just not needed.
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There seemed to be receipts for the services the previous owner did. The bike itself was in really good condition and I personally believe the milage, I'm just thinking about when I come to sell it and how that looks.

If I make an offer it's going to be quite a bold one, but not sure how I feel about buying a bike when the previous owner looked after it so well but the most obvious swing arm issue wasn't sorted.

The bike started from cold on the button no problem, was just when I pulled away it stalled (pos my fault) but then wouldn't start until he lifted the tank and reconnected something.
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regarding swingarm yes it's absolutely free, had mine done last year but I did need new dogbone and bearings so count some money just incase bud.think it was bout 110/120 all in so not bad.
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Thanks everyone. 

Second official dealer I called was more helpful, they couldn't actually tell me if the swing arm was replaced (although looked very original to me with 2 rivnuts) or if it could be done for free but was going to confirm and get back to me on Tuesday. They seemed fairly confident it would be done for free but wanted to be 100% before I spent any money on the bike for example.

Think I'll wait to hear back, then offer a low bid if they can confirm it'll be done for free.
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