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Wavestarved
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Posted: 06 Apr 2013 at 14:15 |
Just had a mad natter with my wife about her love of cleaning and how if she wanted she could clean the chain on my bike. Anyway, she reckons that in this day and age of efficient energy transference and computer gadgetry etc we should've come up with something cleaner and more efficient than an oily old chain to get the power from the engine to the back wheel. I explained about shaft drive and even the type of direct drive you get on some scooters but she still reckons that a chain on a bike is like buying a pair of jimmy choo (whoever the fk he is) shoes and putting Morrisons laces in them.So, thoughts and ideas please.
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camngetit
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Still one of the best ways to transmit drive to the back if in good cond , shaft drive has it's own pros and cons as do belts
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redratbike
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plasma drive? ha ha in reality if a better way had been found then surely it would have found its way onto to the market these days??
or is there too much money at stake for the chain manurfacturers????
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A303
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There are probably several different ways of doing it differently - fluid transfer, electrical, etc. - but it all comes down to cost and whether we'd buy it.
Even BMW on the most technologically advanced bike ever built, still use a chain. Which tells you something. |
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sexy red rdv
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yes pita shaft drive for me next time
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joe 90
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Been on a shaft drive bmw hp2 horrible ,... you try to use the gears as a brake like on a chain drive , bloody shaft ships and jumps around.
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strongbow
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Chain drive is still the most efficient and least power losing drive between engine and wheel. Thats why they still use them in racing. On shaft drives about 15 percent of power is lost in the changes of direction. They are a pain in the arse but they are the best we have got at the moment. Also scottoilers are quite good.
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Wavestarved
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This was my thoughts on it too, I quite like my oily old chains.
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davidrsurfer
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Bloody good excuse to spend some time with the one you love cleaning her chain.
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joe 90
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Helps me get around corners , with all the chain lube spraying onto the back tyre .
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pieman
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belt drives have come on in leaps and bounds. Not sure if they'll ever be quite as reliable as a chain though.
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One day Rodney, We'll be Mille Owners
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Wavestarved
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Cleaned my bike today, can't believe how much sh*te there was all over my beautiful wheels, had to get an engine degreasant on the rear to shift all the manky lube. Looking pretty again now!
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Loudish Les
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Problem with belt drives is they do stretch,yes chains stretch to but you get away with it because when the chain climbs the tooth it re tensions its self,belts on the other hand dont need much slack before they jump,look at car cam drives over the past few years,more and more manufactures are going over to chain driven cams,they must know something,gears would be the next step in efficient drives but you'll have to fit a sh*t load into the swing arm
to transfer the power
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Les Tap
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rossie
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The best continuous brake is gears in oil. Check the (non-) economy on those sh*t 4X4's. They have a gearbox and (if it's a real 4X4) three differentials.
No, chains rule. I love the wining noise they sometimes make.
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426hemi
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Chain lube should cure that.
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Loudish Les
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sh*t MPG 4x4's ?????? You haven't been out in one lately then have you ?,during our snow the other month I had my Navara in 4 wheel drive high for a week coz of the ice patches and got 32 mpg,Hmmm,I wouldn't say that was bad for a vehicle that weighs close to 2 1/2 tons
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Les Tap
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camngetit
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Diesels are getting less economical due to emission laws
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its twins for me !!!!
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rossie
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32 mpg? Must be a diesel...
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rossie
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All the gears are in motion when not in four wheel drive, by the way?
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426hemi
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Got a mitsubishi outlander at work and went to gloucester in it today averaged between 80,85 mph and fuel averaged 40,44mpg not bad for a 4x4.
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