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426hemi
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frank wrathal is the uk importer for dynojet, he's based in garstang, if you get the chance it's worth calling in as it's a great place. He built the 1103 motor in my gen1 rsv and got 147bhp with small valve heads so they know there aprilias.
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budd
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Thanks for that a positive report helps make the decision easier, it's difficult to know what to do for the best sometimes but maybe a fresh start will be the best option plus they are considerably nearer. Not sure who the actual operator is but appearently Dynojet Uk is used by lots of race teams including to front runners like Smiths, Padgetts so they must be doing something right.
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426hemi
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Can't say anything but good about pcr in CANNOCK but dynojet if it's frank wratthal is dynojet uk and built my engine and know there Aprilia's.
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budd
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There's slightly fewer insects flying around North Yorks !! bike continues to go
well, it's just had new boots, (Bridgstone RS10s) and new brake pads (SBS Race
Sinter) will be getting dyno'd in the nr future, just deciding whether take it to
PCR in Cannock where it was originally mapped or to Dynojet Uk in Preston which
is quite bit closer. Mixed first impressions on the tyres the bike doesn't
seems as planted as it did on the Dunlops, but I've only done a few 'scrubbing
in ' miles so not really pushed it, although the rear Bridgestone is noticably smaller then the outgoing
Dunlop GP D211 so I'm assuming the circumference will be similarly reduced which will have an effect on the geometry and therefore handling so I think some suspension tweaks may be required.
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budd
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well another ride and another puncture, fortunately not me this time but one of my mates on his HP4, another supercorsa bites the dust, I'm wandering whether these more track focused tyres are more vulnerable to damage due to their lighter construction maybe I well have a look at those self sealing treatments. Anyway enough about the unlucky BMW and more about my Mille and it's first proper run out around west Yorkshire roads still aren't great with lots of mud and farm muck about see it was a cautious 200 miles, it used 2 tanks of fuel which is broadly what it did last year, so fuel consumption doesn't seem to be have been effected by the engine mods. Mid and top end performance have been improved not drastically but it definitely stronger than before, what isn't so good and noticeably worse than before the mods is the performance at lower revs, it's, much less smooth, very 'snatchy' when negotiating traffic and towns etc. It's not massively bad but it is annoying and I'm hoping it can be 'mapped' out, the parts I fitted came with a custom map but all engines are slightly different so I think a run on the dyno will help and with luck iron out the issues at low revs. Handling wise it seems a little livelier but I haven't changed any of the suspension settings so I'm thinking a complete 'reset' in in order to take in to account the lighter weight of the bike overall.
Anyway next job on the to do list is a good wash, it's covered in dust and road muck ... |
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IanG
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Every time I hear a tale like that it reminds me I should go back to my old practice of getting any new tyre treated with Ultraseal
Never had a puncture (that I know of) while using that stuff so complacency set in and I got cheap |
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badapple
Premium Member Joined: 03 Nov 2014 Location: Norwich United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 5608 |
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fantastic job bud thats a great colour scheme you've gone with and some tasty mods to boot. Shame about the puncture but sh*t happens always at the most inconvenient time ar least there was a decent guy/gal to help you out. Brilliant thread well done
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budd
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had a run out on Sunday, first bit of dry weather for what seems like ages, decided to have ride over to the café (Squires café Sherburn in Elmet W Yorks)firsts impressions were positive, engine feels strong and smooth in the midrange although it does seem a little rougher at lower revs maybe it needs a tweak on the dyno or maybe it's a side effect of the 57mm TBs, it's only noticeable when pottering around town and was soon banished by a quick blast down the M1, up to 3 figures no problem, off the motorway onto some fast B roads again all was good, started following a rider on a late model Fireblade, thought briefly about overtaking him but had a funny feeling that all wasn't well with my bike, nothing really obvious but just something was not quite right, the back end felt a little loose. So you get to thinking did I double check all the nuts and bolts maybe I'd left one loose the mind is quick to sew seeds of doubt, but swingarm, shock, rear wheel, rear linkage etc have all been off so maybe I hadn't tightened it all up correctly. Anyway decided to hold station behind the blade and eventually pulled into the café car (bike) park at which point someone kindly informed me my back tyre was flat, bugger !!! So the first trip out wasn't going as planned, after a bit of messing about looking for the damage to the tyre someone offered me a canister of tyre mousse/foam, I'm not a big fan of this stuff but needs must, emptied the full can into it and the tyre inflated enough to get me the 2-3 miles to a garage where I put 40psi into it which was enough to get me home.
Found the puncture Monday very small hole in the centre of the thread, removed the tyre cleaned all the foam gunk out and plugged the hole, I'm not totally happy repairing a bike tyre but it's nearly new and a replacement is the thick end of £180 so a repair it is. All back together now and guess what it's bloody raining, hoping for some reasonable weather at the weekend so I can have a hopefully trouble free run out. |
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budd
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think My projector lens came with various adapters to suit different bulbs, I'm just using a plan old H1, but I could fita variety of different ones I'm thinking a cob led be interesting to try but TBH the H1 halogen seems OK. I had intended to to cut the side panels out and fit carbon but as you say it look ok as it is so I'll probably just leave it. |
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legend88
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She's certainly a looker, I like it. Well done!
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redratbike
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should be prod of yourself there looks ace all ideas stolen ha ha ... I'm going to rebuild the mille and I am going to do exactly what you have done , race bodywork etc I already have the projector what bulbs are you running in that? I've had the read spin up a couple times in the damp sure wakes you up especillay when it kicks sideways...yeehaa ride em cowboy!!! iremeber you were going to cut out the side panels and fit carbon items (they are still in the car boot!!) but the bikes looks better for the all white inserts
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constant
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absolutely cracking job you done there budd you will be getting plenty o looks out on it
thanks for posting the build im sure everybody was looking forward for the end result
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budd
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First ride out today, taxed it on Sun and it snowed !! Typical so had to wait till today managed half an hour or so weather still not good for bikes roads patchy wet so only very steady even then had a big slide passing a white van, back wheel span up and snapped the bike sideways kicking me up out of the seat, cold tyre, poor road conditions whatever, but it would have been a shame to put all the work in only to throw it down the road 1st ride out !! luckily managed to keep it upright but it got my attention for sure.
Well here she is : The point of the exercise was to firstly lighten the bike and add a little more power and change the appearance a bit while retaining all the stock bodywork to return to stock if neccessary. Current spec is : '01 RSV 'R', Stock engine internals with, 57mm TBs, Renegade carbon air tray, Tuono long velocity stacks, Modd'd collector, Akra Ti race can/ 60mm Ti link pipe, FR200 Eprom, PC3 custom mapped by PCR performance. Full lightweight GRP bodywork solo rear sub frame, single projector headlight and LED stop/tail. Brembo RCS 19 brake M/C, SBS Race Sinter pads, goodridge hoses and Motul RBF660 fluid. Dunlop Sportmax D211 GP racer tyres (120/70 soft front - 180/55 med rear) 16t Talon front sprocket, 44 Talon rear. Now I just need some nice weather so I can give her a proper run out. |
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budd
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yes it's good to get the first ride out of the way with no serious issues, I'm always a little nervy first time out after it's been in bits and it's been in quite few bits !!!, both obvious issues found on test run now sorted, in-op speedo was caused by me using stainless (non magnetic) cap screws on the rear brake disc (schoolboy error), faulty brake light turned out to be both the front and rear switches, the front wasn't working due to a failed soldered joint where the OE plug was attached to the RSC M/C wiring, at the rear the actual switch had failed, what are the chances of having faults in both? Anyway fixed now. Pics to follow once I get the head light bonded in and the nose cone back on. |
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badapple
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Looking great budd pleased the initial test run went well.
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I started out with nothing and I've still got most of it left
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budd
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No I definitely DON'T want one of those, it's the thin end of the wedge, I'd then think well I now need a carbon exhaust hanger, carbon chain guard, and it would never stop Seriously though I am tempted it would look really nice although once the no plate is on the scuffing on the alloy one isn't visible so it's not on my immediate 'to do 'list but you may well have a PM at some point. |
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Jollygiant
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Check out my pre-preg carbon fibre
www.jollyscarbon.co.uk www.facebook.com/jollyscarbon www.instagram.com/jollyscarbon Has done The Ring…..Slowly but I did it!! |
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longer
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Any more pics??
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budd
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First ride yesterday not far because it’s not taxed and I believe the plod have the power to seize untaxed vehicles and while it is insured and MOT’d I didn’t want to give them any excuse to stop me so just a few miles to give it a bit of a shake down. And all was pretty good, engine felt fine, handling felt fine also, bearing in mind this was just a potter around the block so not exactly representative I’m sure any issues (if indeed there are any) will show up once it goes on a proper ride out. It wasn’t all perfect though a couple of little niggles namely the speedo and brake light aren’t working. I suppose you expect minor little issues when the thing has been stripped down and it’s nothing serious so overall I’m pretty happy. Anyway managed to sort the speedo almost straight away, I was thinking about it last night, I’d removed , cleaned and refitted the speed sensor and the rear brake mount and everything looked fine no obvious damaged so what else had I done??? Then I remembered I’d swapped the rear brake disc bolts for SS cap screws maybe the speed sensor (which is a simple hall sensor) wasn’t picking them up, so I swapped them back to the OE bolts and sure enough the speedo is cured so nice simple fix, I haven’t had a look at the brake light yet but it was definitely working on Sat so I’m hoping that too is something simple.
So that’s just about it now all I have left to do in fit the headlight, I’ll take it down to my mate who happens to be a bike MOT tester I can use his headlight alignment thingy bob to get the level something like before bonding it in, new brakes pads will go in next week I’ll have a run out with the old pads in then swap to the new ones, this should clean the discs up[ a bit and minimise the risk of contamination, I’ve cleaned the discs with brake cleaner and given them a wipe but it won’t hurt to let the old pads freshen up the surface. |
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redratbike
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Looking good sir!!!!
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longer
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Its looking really good, been enjoying following this one and am looking forward to seeing the finished pics! Keep up the good work!!
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budd
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well the end of the project is in sight, petrol added and after a bit of stopping and starting bike fired up and seems to be running fine, it's always a bit of a tense moment firing something up after stripping it down and adding quite a few new parts but the signs are positive and hopefully a test ride will reveal all is well.
So engine running, tyres fitted, wheels back in, brakes reassembled and bled, all the service parts fitted, lights fitted and working there are now only a few little jobs to do so I'm on target for taxing it 1st April, although it will likely pee it down all April so how much riding I'll get done remains to be seen but at least it will be ready. I'm particularly pleased with how the rear light as turned out, and looks made for the job only issue is the rear brake light switch is inop so I'll need to replace that at some point, I have one somewhere so I'll have to have root round and see if I can locate it, not that it's much of a problem the brake light is working via the front brake so it will be OK for the time been, I could really do with sorting out a no plate light but my friendly MOTer doesn't seem to bothered about it's absence so I leave it for later. Most of the paint is now done (just got the nose cone to clear-coat, I ended up have to repaint it as the lines I'd painted were in the wrong place one side went under the mirror the other didn't !!! Once that's finished I can fit and line up the headlight, it's all wired up just needs aligning before I bond it in. So I'm now on to final finishing bits and bobs colour sanding the paint and adding some stickers, I love doing the stickers and have combined some RSV4 and BMW S1000RR graphics to make some nice OE looking RSV1000R decals for the side fairings, the red on the V and R is reflective so produces a nice effect when light is shone on it, I tempted to use white reflective vinyl for the belly pan graphics but I'm not sure it would be a bit to flashy ?? you can just about see the V and R glowing in the above pic, but when I shine a light on them in the dark garage they really pop. Next stickers are going to include some 'superleggera' text not sure where yet but I've got some chrome vinyl and they look really good, it's difficult to see the chrome effect from the pics but I think they'll look great against the red paint work. hopefully next pics will be of the finished item, |
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budd
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tyres on, gone for Dunlop D211 GP Racers, soft compound front, endurance rear (180/55) pop the wheels back in later bleed brakes then I need a gallon of fuel to start her up.
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badapple
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Nearly there budd I think you've made the right decision on the wheels I think it will look great can't wait to see the final build
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budd
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Yes that's an option along with chemical stripping and power coating but it means more expense inc new bearings etc, I'm fitting the tyres tomorrow so I'll leave as is for the moment and see what it looks like with the blue wheels I can always change it later if I'm not happy how it looks.
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Stevex
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Why not get the wheels blasted, that'd be more than enough to key the surface?
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budd
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quite a bit of behind the scenes progress as been made since my last post, all suspension removed cleaned, checked, re-greased and refitted only 2 bearings were found to need replacement (swing-arm linkage bearings) I think these are the most vulnerable to all the road crap etc because despite been stripped and re-greased last year along with the others they were showing significantly more signs of wear and tear than the rest. So rear suspension sorted front end was also removed cleaned and refitted, the forks were fully rebuilt last year so they should be fine for another year, the only issue I have with the front end is the locking washer on the head bearings as lost all it's tab so is now a plain washers rather than the locking variety a call to Griff will sort this. Engine oil (& filter) changed Shell Advance AX7 10w40 this year £17.99 for 4 litres from Opieoils result.
Brake calipers stripped cleaned, DSC_0072 new seals and reassembled DSC_0073 that's pretty much it for the service related jobs now it time to reassemble the thing in time for April. So I've wrapped and re-fitted the exhaust, tank is back so hopefully it will fire up, it's always a bit nerve racking firing it up for the first time following big strip down but hopefully it will be fine. Once it's up and running the rebuild can begin, I need to wire up the new lights, fit the tyres and reinstall the wheels, a quick word re the wheels I'd hope to paint them black to better suit the new paint scheme but I've abandoned this idea due to fears about the paint adhering correctly to the anodised finish. I did some research and there seems to be 2 schools of thought one is you can simply scotch the wheel and paint normally the other suggests you need a chromatic etch primer, I decide to do a little test and scotched a small section of the inner rim, applied some clear-coat and it looked great the clear coat really made the OE blue anodised finish really pop, DSC_0071 unfortunately once cured I could scratch the clear off with my nails, DSC_0074 so it seems simply scotching and applying the paint isn't viable and it does need some sort of etch primer to allow the paint to 'stick' correctly so while I've not totally given up on the gloss black wheels I've decided to leave alone for the time been and fit the new tyres, I'll probably revisit this at a later date. The tyres are going back on the rims today so should have the wheels back in tomorrow, then I need to bleed the brakes and decide on brake pads, I've used SBS RS pads for years and to be honest can't really fault them, so I'll probably go for the same again, although I do fancy giving the Brembo sports compound ago so may try these but still undecided. |
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budd
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Yeah I don't think these have seen the light of day in the best part of 17yrs and nearly 38K so as you say can't really complain hopefully be good for another few yrs, although with the link bearings I tend to check and service annually as they seem to be more venerable to water ingress and therefore need to be checked regularly. |
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Stevex
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Funny, I found the same with the swing arm bearings; balls with loads of moly and needle rollers just caught in time with very little grease.
Still, I reckon I'm the first to have the arm out since it left the factory 14 or so years ago, so can't complain. A reminder for those, especially with Gen 1's, if you haven't checked your swing arm bearings, get in there.
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budd
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Well after 10 days of been messed about by an ebay seller the 26mm socket is finally here, I think I should have just gone down to Halfords in the first place. Anyway the missing socket as turned up so I've now got the swing arm out and checked the bearing, the ball bearing one is in excellent condition and still well packed with moly grease, the needle while still in pretty good condition was running quite dry so after a quick clean it's repacked with high spec water resistant synthetic grease ( I have mate who works on trains and over the years he as provided a selection of different spec greases so I now have grease for every occasion, and money is no object when dealing with trains so some of them are silly money to buy). So main swing arm bearings are sorted time to have a look at the lower linkage bearings and these weren't great so I've knocked them out and ordered some replacements. A bit of info re the bearings, the OE spec bearing is a full complement bearing needle roller bearing (this full complement bit means it as no internal cage and twice the number of rollers when compared to a typical aftermarket replacement) The OE bear is a HK1812V while a regular needle roller bearing is simply a HK1812. Now this might be a little controversial but I think the normal HK1812 is more suitable for this application, mainly because it's not a huge load situation and the full complement bearing seems over spec'd for the job the other reason is you can get more grease in a caged bearing. The main reason these bearings fail is due to lack of lubrication (the grease gets washed-out /breaks down over time) so it stands to reason if you can get more grease in there then then the bearing will stay lube'd for longer therefore extending its service life. Anyway bearings/seals ordered from Simply bearings so I'll get the swing arm back in and push the new lower bearings in when they arrive, then the rebuild proper can begin.
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