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    Posted: 06 Jan 2015 at 17:52
Nothing decided yet, just chucking some ideas around... would anyone be interested in a carbon fibre Falco fuel tank?

Would be vaguely in the region of £1000 - £3000 depending on numbers and production costs (lot of things to find out first).

They would be as resilient to ethanol as our current tanks are. The lay-up would be top quality and it would be completely carbon, not just wrapped.

This doesn't mean it will happen, but if there's enough interest.... maybe.
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Jesus Nooj...3k ??? I am all for special mods but you could buy a new bike for that and have change!

Saying that I have not got a Falco so what does my opinion matter lol
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Good way to triple the value of a Falco though!
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I chucked around the same idea for the Mille/ Tuono and there were loads of yes's until I mentioned the price!

One day when I'm rich and can afford it I'll get the mould made and make one for mine and sod the cost!
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I reckon the price will put people off dude, for around 3k they could pick up another falco/millie/tuono...A carbon tank would be a going of serial desire and drop dead gorgeous beauty though !!!
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correct me if I'm wrong but arnt carbon tank illegal in the UK for road use? Heard the somewhere so if it's true it could only be sported on track bikes. 
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I think strictly speaking tanks are supposed to be type approved to be sold on a new bike but I don't think that applies to modding. It just has to be up to the job.

This is the actual law regarding tanks from the gov website.

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  • Shall be constructed and maintained so that the leakage of any liquid from the tank is adequately prevented.
     
  • Shall be constructed and maintained so that the leakage of vapour from the tank is adequately prevented.
  • If fitted to a vehicle first used on or after 1st July 1973:
    • Made only of metal;
    • Fixed in such a position and so maintained as to be reasonably secure from damage.
       
  • A two-wheeled motorcycle (with or without a side-car) first used on or after 1st February 1993 need not have a fuel tank made only of metal.

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to tell you the truth an italian guy had a tuono carbon cover made and he could have got it down to 250 euro's if there had been enough interest but he couldnt muster up customers so i doubt if a tank at this price will get many jumping on the bandwagon .
 
tuono tank cover was on af1 just trying to find a link and pic...found it ... he posted on here as well
 At the moment the price for a cover finished with gloss painting and decals provided by customers is about 300 euro, shipping in europe is about 30 euro...

To get a better quote I need to make an order of 10 tank cover, more cover we order lower is the price... I think it would be easy to get them for 250...



 
 
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this guy was looking at $900 if he got 10 people interested and he didnt!!!!
 
 


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These csrbon tanks Nooj and I are talking about at stronger then original ones.
Hold more and are lighter oh not to mention ethernol proof!
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Originally posted by Jollygiant Jollygiant wrote:

These csrbon tanks Nooj and I are talking about at stronger then original ones.
Hold more and are lighter oh not to mention ethernol proof!
i dont doubt it ..and dont get me wrong we'd all love a carbon tank but its big bucks!


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Most of the better tanks I read up on seemed to use Kevlar on the inner layer of the tank. That makes it ethanol proof and stops the carbon from shattering into a million pieces on a hard impact. If anyone has seen Carbon in an impact on tv etc, it often explodes into pieces if you hit it hard enough.

I think the problem from a selling point of view is that most people want Carbon purely for looks as weight is less of an issue for the road user. If he can wrap and get the same look for £200, why would he pay £2k for something which looks the same to anyone passing by. For that reason I think Carbon tanks are a hard sell generally.
They do look nice though if done well.
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That's actually really nice Redratbike. No it's not a proper carbon tank but looks much better than wrap. Wonder if the chap still makes them? Pierpiero has not been here for sometime by the looks of it tho...
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only £3k?

I'll have six please Wink 
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Heheh yes 3 big ones!

Thought the carbon tank cover was really nice though for 300euro's considering complexity of curves etc. I have sent a PM even tho I prob have more chance of seeing Elvis crashing a UFO into the Loch Ness Monster, than getting a reply now! Shame. I'm a carbon whore and would buy one tomorrow!
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I'ld still prefer an alloy tank for the Gen1
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Originally posted by Diablo Diablo wrote:


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Would you like to have a bet on that??? lol Wink
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Originally posted by Jollygiant Jollygiant wrote:

Originally posted by Diablo Diablo wrote:


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Would you like to have a bet on that??? lol Wink


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Carbon tanks do look sexy as hell...

1 question though is it only black you can get CF in ??
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Originally posted by Ape Ape wrote:

Carbon tanks do look sexy as hell...

1 question though is it only black you can get CF in ??
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They look pretty cool.
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Originally posted by adzed adzed wrote:

Good way to triple the value of a Falco though!


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Alright mate!
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Originally posted by adzed adzed wrote:

Alright mate!
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Well the carbon tank project has come to fruition - we're about half way through the initial batch of 8 (the minimum number that we needed to commit to the project to commission the mould and get it off the ground).
Once the initial build is done, I think Rich will be happy to take further orders from those on Ridersite that didn't get in with the first batch and also other forums too - so RSVR.net and AF1 etc.

I've got mine now and will be glad to wave goodbye to the curse of ethanol expansion - the main reason we got them made in the first place. Side effects are the inherent capacity increase, a bit of weight loss and the carbon bling-factor ... but the important thing is the ethanol resistance.

It'll be a while 'till I find time to fit mine as I want to refurb the fuel lines inside and outside the tank at the same time and I've not got the time at present .... the standard tank can go through another winter ....

Oh yes, the costs are nothing like what has been discussed on here and although they will have to go up a bit for future builds will be a pleasant surprise to those of you that thought they were going to be several grand. Mind you, it's not for me to state prices - that'll be for any who want the tanks to confirm with Rich.
I'll try to make sure that I let you know when the first batch of 8 are done ... and sorry I haven't posted on here for ages !

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i know nooj has his ..he told me on sunday when they dropped off Rob's falco.


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Hi D-Rider, I think I chatted to Rich Briefly on Facebook yesterday about this. I definitely want one. I have been emailing Carbon manufacturers in Europe, the US and even Oz, no-one was interested in making Mille tanks unless I wanted 10 or so.

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Originally posted by Diablo Diablo wrote:

Hi D-Rider, I think I chatted to Rich Briefly on Facebook yesterday about this. I definately want one. I have been emailing Carbon manufacturers in Europe, the US and even Oz, no-one was interested in making Mille tanks unless I wanted 10 or so.
I will get in touch with Rich.
he'll need a tank to make a mould from and a lot of money is right there in making a mould that can be used multiple times.
 
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Yes all that mould making etc, the whole process is labour intensive and thats where the money goes I suppose, I mean paying for the hours spent making molds (quite rightly) and not just a final product. I appreciate the time spent behind the scenes and why it is expensive.
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Yes - it's a long-term project - we started with the Falco tanks in the spring and it's only at the end of the year that we'll have them all produced.
Far better to do the job well than to rush - and Rich is a great bloke to have to do the work.
Make sure you understand the limitations of what can be achieved in the manufacturing process too - it's an entirely different process compared to making the OEM tanks. For example, hiding the join between top and bottom sections of the tank is not completely possible (unless you cover it in paint) - though Rich has done a pretty good job with that too.
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I haveonly just seen Nooj's thread...
Funny how from little or zero interest and it seems like this may not happen that for the past 6 months or so all I have been doing is making Aprilia fuel tanks due to them being too expensive.... lol...





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