rsvr.net Forums Homepage
Forum Home Forum Home > RSV / RSVR / FACTORY > General Chat
  New Posts New Posts RSS Feed - Building 01 Race Bike
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Events   Register Register  Login Login

Building 01 Race Bike

 Post Reply Post Reply
Author
Message
BJL View Drop Down
Premium Member
Premium Member


Joined: 07 Apr 2018
Location: Australia
Status: Offline
Points: 23
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote BJL Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Topic: Building 01 Race Bike
    Posted: 28 Dec 2018 at 07:04
Hi Guys,

Noob on here. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Just acquired an 01 that I'm going to turn into a Race bike. Been racing Supertwin but its time to get on a bigger bike.

Its a crash damaged bike I got for a song.

First issue. Oil tank is fooked due to crash. Leaks like a siv.

Online to standard tank is way more expensive than the stainless one from the R. Any idea's why they look the same? Any decent after nmarket brands?

Has anyone attempted a repair job?

Cheers


Back to Top
redratbike View Drop Down
Moderator Group
Moderator Group
Avatar
The Collector Messiah

Joined: 07 May 2008
Status: Offline
Points: 15150
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote redratbike Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Dec 2018 at 20:51
welcome along 

Quite a few guys here racing in different series or just serious track dayers

same shape oil tanks r is stainless and other is just steel you have the choice or the z2 no othere 

To repair make sure  it’s  clean clean and clean before welding 


www.apriliaperformance.co.uk
www.apriliaforum.co.uk
www.apriliaownersclub.co.uk
Back to Top
BJL View Drop Down
Premium Member
Premium Member


Joined: 07 Apr 2018
Location: Australia
Status: Offline
Points: 23
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote BJL Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Dec 2018 at 00:37

Hey thanks Redratbike.

I'll need to pick your brains about exhusts and link pipes.
There are a sh*t ton of threads on exhausts. I've done a lot of reading.

What I've got from that is the engine hates short pipes.

And

You are the man to speak to for the collector mod.

I was thinking a 2 into 2 system as I'm chasing HP for the track. Either custom or Smalt moto does one.
Does this type of system eliminate the need for the collector mod and fix that dip in the graph?
Back to Top
Jollygiant View Drop Down
Premium Member
Premium Member
Avatar
Carbon Whore

Joined: 06 Aug 2012
Location: Naughty Step
Status: Offline
Points: 1266
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Jollygiant Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Dec 2018 at 07:13
Chasing BHP you be needing a carbon air tray too....
Check out my pre-preg carbon fibre
www.jollyscarbon.co.uk
www.facebook.com/jollyscarbon
www.instagram.com/jollyscarbon

Has done The Ring…..Slowly but I did it!!
Back to Top
BJL View Drop Down
Premium Member
Premium Member


Joined: 07 Apr 2018
Location: Australia
Status: Offline
Points: 23
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote BJL Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Dec 2018 at 07:32

Jolly I've already emailed you
Back to Top
redratbike View Drop Down
Moderator Group
Moderator Group
Avatar
The Collector Messiah

Joined: 07 May 2008
Status: Offline
Points: 15150
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote redratbike Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Dec 2018 at 08:57
Originally posted by BJL BJL wrote:


Hey thanks Redratbike.

I'll need to pick your brains about exhusts and link pipes.
There are a sh*t ton of threads on exhausts. I've done a lot of reading.

What I've got from that is the engine hates short pipes.

And

You are the man to speak to for the collector mod.

I was thinking a 2 into 2 system as I'm chasing HP for the track. Either custom or Smalt moto does one.
Does this type of system eliminate the need for the collector mod and fix that dip in the graph?

Yes short cans lose power and torque , you want at least a  60mm linkpipe with a 450-500mm length can and a modded collector 

 if you do Facebook there is an Australian Rsv page for spares so may be worth looking that up.

If you have the bucks for a dual system then they are out there either new with smaltmoto think they are the only ones left making new or second hand appears every now and then railing that’s it’s custom build 

Both options will give a nice big hike in the midrange even better with an airbox and a decent eprom/pc3 etc.

It depends on your budget the modded collector is probably a 1/3 -1/4 of the cost of a 2nd hand system if you can find one and a he’ll of a lot less than a custom build or new Smaltmoto  leaving more money to spend on other goodies 


www.apriliaperformance.co.uk
www.apriliaforum.co.uk
www.apriliaownersclub.co.uk
Back to Top
Jollygiant View Drop Down
Premium Member
Premium Member
Avatar
Carbon Whore

Joined: 06 Aug 2012
Location: Naughty Step
Status: Offline
Points: 1266
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Jollygiant Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Dec 2018 at 09:09
Originally posted by BJL BJL wrote:


Jolly I've already emailed you

Oops.....WinkEmbarrassed
Check out my pre-preg carbon fibre
www.jollyscarbon.co.uk
www.facebook.com/jollyscarbon
www.instagram.com/jollyscarbon

Has done The Ring…..Slowly but I did it!!
Back to Top
BJL View Drop Down
Premium Member
Premium Member


Joined: 07 Apr 2018
Location: Australia
Status: Offline
Points: 23
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote BJL Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Dec 2018 at 12:53

Yep I'm on that facebook page.

I'll slowly be adding parts. Might start with the modded collector pipe. Can you do Titanium Redratbike? How do I get one of them?


I'm looking at Eproms from Griff, Carbon airtray from Jolly and I'm going to convert to 57s and have smaltmoto bore them out to 60mm. They do an exchange service I think.

Should give a nice little performance boost to get me started.



Ben
Back to Top
BJL View Drop Down
Premium Member
Premium Member


Joined: 07 Apr 2018
Location: Australia
Status: Offline
Points: 23
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote BJL Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Dec 2018 at 09:17

OK next question guys.

So I know the super duper wheels are the Oz Racing wheels.

But I've never heard of Brembo wheels.

Are these standard wheels or aftermarket? What are they made from? How do they compare weight wise?



Also I was going to upload some photos but apparently I have to be allowed to do that by the admins. How does this work?
Back to Top
badapple View Drop Down
Premium Member
Premium Member
Avatar

Joined: 03 Nov 2014
Location: Norwich United Kingdom
Status: Offline
Points: 3873
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote badapple Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Dec 2018 at 10:52
Brembo wheels are the stock items. They are considerably heavier. I've had both and the difference between the two is definitely noticeable especially side to side turning and for me the braking power was much stronger. 

I started out with nothing and I've still got most of it left
Back to Top
redratbike View Drop Down
Moderator Group
Moderator Group
Avatar
The Collector Messiah

Joined: 07 May 2008
Status: Offline
Points: 15150
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote redratbike Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Dec 2018 at 15:59
it would have helped to have started with an R version with all the goodies 


www.apriliaperformance.co.uk
www.apriliaforum.co.uk
www.apriliaownersclub.co.uk
Back to Top
badapple View Drop Down
Premium Member
Premium Member
Avatar

Joined: 03 Nov 2014
Location: Norwich United Kingdom
Status: Offline
Points: 3873
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote badapple Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Dec 2018 at 16:27
Originally posted by redratbike redratbike wrote:

it would have helped to have started with an R version with all the goodies 
yepWink
I started out with nothing and I've still got most of it left
Back to Top
wigginsjp View Drop Down
Premium Member
Premium Member
Avatar

Joined: 11 Feb 2008
Location: calne
Status: Offline
Points: 1684
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote wigginsjp Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Dec 2018 at 22:07
as boys said OZ wheels but having no used both Ohlins and Showa I really don't think there is much in it for racing and certainly not worth buying Ohlins now. Can rebuild the Showa with someone like MCT and they used Ohlins internals in the OE Showa shock for example.
On a std engine I'd say 60mm throttle bodies a bit too big on a gen1 unless it's big bored with gen2 heads etc. 57's be more than enough. 
For racing uk tracks drop the gearing as you will struggle to do more than 155-160 on the straights. Use the punch and handling for your progress. 
Twin systems are epic but the modded collector with a decent Akrapovic or arrow with chip the best bet. Also pciii plus a quickshifter in race shift 

www.apriliaperformance.co.uk
www.apriliaforum.co.uk
www.apriliaownersclub.co.uk
Back to Top
BJL View Drop Down
Premium Member
Premium Member


Joined: 07 Apr 2018
Location: Australia
Status: Offline
Points: 23
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote BJL Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Dec 2018 at 01:40


Thanks guys

The R was what I wanted but I couldn't get my hands on one, and this one came along for a song.



Back to Top
BJL View Drop Down
Premium Member
Premium Member


Joined: 07 Apr 2018
Location: Australia
Status: Offline
Points: 23
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote BJL Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Jan 2019 at 08:51



Can anyone direct me to a RSV Std 2001 wiring diagram please?

Thanks Ben
Back to Top
legend88 View Drop Down
Premium Member
Premium Member
Avatar

Joined: 18 Aug 2013
Location: Newcastle
Status: Offline
Points: 5374
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote legend88 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Jan 2019 at 10:08
There's a really good interactive one in the premium section.
Back to Top
Mr Miller View Drop Down
Premium Member
Premium Member
Avatar

Joined: 04 Oct 2013
Location: Ayrshire
Status: Offline
Points: 1061
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Mr Miller Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Jan 2019 at 11:15
I use the standard wheels on my wet bike, with decent tyres the extra
weight will give you some more dig in to the surface.
Good luck with yer project .. hope the bank manager is friendly
cause this lot on here have lots of ways to make you poor Tongue
If you find us in a hedge check the bike first please .. I`m free on the NHS...
Back to Top
BJL View Drop Down
Premium Member
Premium Member


Joined: 07 Apr 2018
Location: Australia
Status: Offline
Points: 23
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote BJL Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Jan 2019 at 11:42


Of bugger. I think Premium section is suspended??
Back to Top
legend88 View Drop Down
Premium Member
Premium Member
Avatar

Joined: 18 Aug 2013
Location: Newcastle
Status: Offline
Points: 5374
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote legend88 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Jan 2019 at 12:13
Originally posted by Mr Miller Mr Miller wrote:

I use the standard wheels on my wet bike, with decent tyres the extra
weight will give you some more dig in to the surface. Tongue


In reality, the benefit of lightweight wheels is even greater in the wet than in the dry for exactly the same reason, which is that the wheel can be made to track(!) the surface better and quicker as the reduced weight offers less resistance to what the suspension is trying to achieve. The correct suspension adjustments to suit the conditions is where your performance will come from.

Back to Top
legend88 View Drop Down
Premium Member
Premium Member
Avatar

Joined: 18 Aug 2013
Location: Newcastle
Status: Offline
Points: 5374
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote legend88 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Jan 2019 at 12:13
Originally posted by BJL BJL wrote:



Of bugger. I think Premium section is suspended??


I think if you speak to Admin they can still give you access
Back to Top
BJL View Drop Down
Premium Member
Premium Member


Joined: 07 Apr 2018
Location: Australia
Status: Offline
Points: 23
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote BJL Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Jan 2019 at 02:40

Ok guys, finally managed to sort out some pictures.

So this is the doner bike that has begun its journey from repairable write off to race bike.


I started by stripping back all of the road gear.
The first series of upgrades is aimed at simply getting the old girl on track and get a base to build on.


So I've got a race front fairing stay coming from motoforza
rearsets from danmoto, (yes they are cheap but the expensive ones break just like the cheap ones)
quickshifter from Healtech
Race fairings from racecandy

Crash damage to the tank is cosmetic so for now I'm leaving it.
Crash damage to the cooling system. So I'm replacing the hoses with JS Performance silcne hoses and stainless claims.
Currently sourcing a stainless oil tank to switch out while I'm at it purely for weight saving measures.

Then it wil be off to the dyno for a base figure before I start the more performance orientated mods.




1.jpg2.jpg3.jpg4.jpgUntitled.jpgWIN_20190117_12_37_54_Pro.jpg
Back to Top
redratbike View Drop Down
Moderator Group
Moderator Group
Avatar
The Collector Messiah

Joined: 07 May 2008
Status: Offline
Points: 15150
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote redratbike Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Jan 2019 at 07:26
good start


What are the class rules on performance mods ?

I’d go eprom ,modded collector ,racecan,airbox with dual stacks ...you could gasflow the throttlebodies as I have seen recently.


www.apriliaperformance.co.uk
www.apriliaforum.co.uk
www.apriliaownersclub.co.uk
Back to Top
BJL View Drop Down
Premium Member
Premium Member


Joined: 07 Apr 2018
Location: Australia
Status: Offline
Points: 23
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote BJL Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Jan 2019 at 03:54
REDRAT:

Class rules are a bit restrictive unfortunately,

Eprom coming from Griff

I'm going to get a custom exhaust done with each cylinder having its own pipe and race can. I'll then tune each cylinder separately

I'm going to give Jolly Giants carbon air tray a go too


Eventually I'll rebuild the engine with a big bore kit.


Unfortunately head work is limited and I'll have to read up on throttlebody mods because i'm unsure.

I'm interested in what you learned from gasflowing your tb's though. Whats the story?

Back to Top
BJL View Drop Down
Premium Member
Premium Member


Joined: 07 Apr 2018
Location: Australia
Status: Offline
Points: 23
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote BJL Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Feb 2019 at 02:40
OK Gents,

I need to pick your collective brains.

I'm currently in negotiation to buy a Gen 1 Ohlin's shock and Oz forged wheels.

I have a std model 2001.


Will these items bolt straight on?


I vaguely remember something about the wheels needing a spacer?

How bought the shock?


Appreciate your help.

Cheers
Ben
Back to Top
constant View Drop Down
Premium Member
Premium Member


Joined: 27 Jun 2014
Location: south london
Status: Offline
Points: 799
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote constant Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Feb 2019 at 02:59
if the wheels are gen 1 they fit straight on if gen 2 you need spacers you can get them from the shop above
Back to Top
wigginsjp View Drop Down
Premium Member
Premium Member
Avatar

Joined: 11 Feb 2008
Location: calne
Status: Offline
Points: 1684
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote wigginsjp Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Feb 2019 at 07:53
Are both items are gen one axial brakes or Radial brakes? Either if a pair will fit a gen1. If the forks are gen 1 axial and the wheels gen2 Radial then so you will need to machine the front wheel or the calipers to fit.

Ref the oil tank as stainless ones are getting rare and pricey. Instead get a lightweight battery as the weight saving on that alone is pretty drastic. A stainless tank over the pressed steel one can't be masses apart if sourcing one is an issue. 

Jolly's Carbon air box again is a quality saving over the standard airbox.
Good choice 

www.apriliaperformance.co.uk
www.apriliaforum.co.uk
www.apriliaownersclub.co.uk
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply
  Share Topic   

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down

Forum Software by Web Wiz Forums® version 12.00
Copyright ©2001-2018 Web Wiz Ltd.

This page was generated in 0.047 seconds.