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We are now at the point where priorities are tested. Either we remain largely lock down and the economy will suffer even more. Or we ease up quickly to save jobs as per the USA and mortality will rise significantly. It’s a rock and a hard place for the governments of the world when coming out of lockdown.  

I’m not sure we can draw too many conclusions On success yet. As with S Korea who were largely praised but are now re locking down in some areas as infections rise and Germany with an R rate back above 1 in the space of a few days. 





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Weird how some countries hardly suffered at al,my family in Austria say it's not really hit them very hard.
They're coming out of most restrictions this week and schools are starting to go back in stages although working from home if you can is still the policy.

One thing they are serious about though is everyone out must be wearing a face mask at all times and keep some semblance of social distancing.

But then the Austrians and Germans particularly seem to be conditioned to do as they're told and civic pride is very high always
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More details tomorrow from the powers at be 

 I for one can live without riding a motorbike

Sadly loads of people seem to think it’s their god given right which is a shame 




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I'll give it to the 1st of June then reappraise if it's worth taxing the bikes again. Until then there will be no bike riding from me.
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Originally posted by FTM FTM wrote:

I'll give it to the 1st of June then reappraise if it's worth taxing the bikes again. Until then there will be no bike riding from me.


I always go SORN over winter anyway. Then I just start monthly payments of £8 a month for the months I ride. It's just not worth the cleaning (and stress I'd left some salt somewhere unseen) for me to take it out over winter. And I'm a tight Yorkshireman LOL

Try it, it's really easy to SORN it and reverse the SORN online.


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Also, this is an unpopular opinion but I'm not minding the lockdown too much. It's a surreal once in lifetime experience where the focus on growth and consumption is temporarily stopped.

Guess I'm lucky in that I still have a job and am working from home. But being here while my 1 year old son makes his first steps, having morning coffee and biscuits with my wife and being able to potter about in the garden on my lunch breaks isn't a bad way to spend the work week. It's given me the time to strip my bike down for maintenance too as I'm not missing out on any rides whatever state my bike is in.

Would be a different story if I lost my job to it though, feel bad for people who did. Really exposes how bad our benefits system is here. Be really interesting after the dust has settled to see where that £650 billion has gone that the government borrowed. Tories have a terrible track record fiscally but I think this is their worst yet. It'll probably go unnoticed too.

What's £650 billion between our 33 million workers.. £19,700 borrowed per taxpayer. I know the economy doesn't work in the same way as our household budgets but I don't see any investment here. So no way of seeing it pay for itself. Reckon some people will become very rich and the rest of us will pay for it.
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Originally posted by blacklines blacklines wrote:

Also, this is an unpopular opinion but I'm not minding the lockdown too much. It's a surreal once in lifetime experience where the focus on growth and consumption is temporarily stopped.

Guess I'm lucky in that I still have a job and am working from home. But being here while my 1 year old son makes his first steps, having morning coffee and biscuits with my wife and being able to potter about in the garden on my lunch breaks isn't a bad way to spend the work week. It's given me the time to strip my bike down for maintenance too as I'm not missing out on any rides whatever state my bike is in.

Would be a different story if I lost my job to it though, feel bad for people who did. Really exposes how bad our benefits system is here. Be really interesting after the dust has settled to see where that £650 billion has gone that the government borrowed. Tories have a terrible track record fiscally but I think this is their worst yet. It'll probably go unnoticed too.

What's £650 billion between our 33 million workers.. £19,700 borrowed per taxpayer. I know the economy doesn't work in the same way as our household budgets but I don't see any investment here. So no way of seeing it pay for itself. Reckon some people will become very rich and the rest of us will pay for it.

I think the U.K. is devoid of good choices where political parties are concerned. There is no such thing as free money so taxpayer foots the bill no matter who is in charge. We could have relied on our gold reserves but a certain Mr Brown sold it all. The only saving grace of a conservative gov for me is that we don’t have Diane Abbot as Home Secretary. Putting her knickers on the right way round is more than enough challenge for her. 

I’m sure there will be a massive blame game when this all shakes out. Our tabloids will love it and there will be loads of political leaning celebrities crowing from the sidelines with the benefit of hindsight. I can’t wait, Not. 

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I'm on SORN too and despite playing devils advocate above I don't intend to go out just yet. My bikes in bits for a thorough clean and general maintenance and check over so will be pristine when the time comes.
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Originally posted by Spoonz Spoonz wrote:

I think the U.K. is devoid of good choices where political parties are concerned. There is no such thing as free money so taxpayer foots the bill no matter who is in charge. We could have relied on our gold reserves but a certain Mr Brown sold it all. The only saving grace of a conservative gov for me is that we don’t have Diane Abbot as Home Secretary. Putting her knickers on the right way round is more than enough challenge for her. 

I’m sure there will be a massive blame game when this all shakes out. Our tabloids will love it and there will be loads of political leaning celebrities crowing from the sidelines with the benefit of hindsight. I can’t wait, Not. 



Yeah definitely. It was wrong of Gordon Brown to sell off our gold too. For a very cheap price as well. Regardless of whichever political party is in, they need holding to account for any corruption under their watch. I see the benefit in borrowing when it is so cheap, just that now we have it I worry it's going to disappear leaving us nothing but debt. This isn't hindsight, it's foresight.
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Boris is on a hiding to nothing I'm afraid. Damned if he does, damned if he don't. I hate politics and yes his advisers who supposed to be all knowledgeable, which is why they were employed in first place probably got it wrong. I say probably because I'm no expert and I'm not going to pretend to be. I happened to stay onto fb to get in touch with some friends...omg I got off quickly, everyone knows the lot lol. To get some perspective about us in the land of the dragon lol. Nobody is anti anyone (well I'm not) contrary to what you read elsewhere. We're still on lockdown as theres still cases here, and we, in powys haven't the resources to deal with an epidemic as regards hospitals etc. I'm having to be militant at minute simply because tourists or holiday home owners etc shouldn't be here. Its these stupid selfish people that are putting us at risk. Plod have been told to turn people back to wherever they came from , same as they have been doing in England I believe. Sooner lockdown rules, and I hate rules, are adhered to the sooner we can all start some sort of normality. Not having a go at anyone or wanting to start an argument, cant be doing that. Im unpaid carer for my mum so I'm having to be even more careful about shielding as I've no spleen also. So I shop early morning when nobody around, stay away from everyone. Its not ideal but so far so good. Im mentally and physically drained. I'd love to get out for a drive or ride to chill but I can't and i have to abide by that. Anyway sorry for the long rant. Stay safe everyone and if you're out on bike enjoy and be safe. Cheers my friends 👍
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Originally posted by blacklines blacklines wrote:

I see the benefit in borrowing when it is so cheap, just that now we have it I worry it's going to disappear leaving us nothing but debt. This isn't hindsight, it's foresight.


The thing is we don't have it, it's being paid to the masses and their employers in an attempt to keep their jobs safe. It's paying for the mortgages, gas, electric and food of the millions who would otherwise now be out of work as well as the rent and rates of the businesses we hope will survive to take them back on when we come out of this disaster.

Some of it is loans that will only get paid back if the companies survive long enough to do so. The debt will need paying back and the only way any government can generate the funds for that is from taxes so we can all expect income tax and VAT rises to follow.
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Yeah definitely. It was wrong of Gordon Brown to sell off our gold too. For a very cheap price as well. Regardless of whichever political party is in, they need holding to account for any corruption under their watch. I see the benefit in borrowing when it is so cheap, just that now we have it I worry it's going to disappear leaving us nothing but debt. This isn't hindsight, it's foresight.

You can bet your ass money will or has been wasted. Governments are notoriously bad at fiscal expediency and everything costs twice as much as they costed it too ( look at hs2). Someone always makes hay out of every situation so I’m sure somewhere a fat cat is getting fatter.  Lots of funds will have been spent on worse case scenario planning which ultimately might be seen as wasted ( temp hospitals with no patients etc).  But by far I suspect the furlough schemes are where the big money is going and is most open to fraud. I think they estimate the gov is paying 20% of the total national salaries currently. Scary £ numbers 


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Yes, money will have been 'wasted' but that's the nature of the situation we are in. There is not enough time to properly assess the best or most cost effective way to do things so we will definitely have overpaid for some of the actions that have been taken and other actions will have proved unnecessary and therefore a 'waste' However if those actions had not been taken and then proven necessary what would have been the result?

A said above there was never any perfect solution to this and Boris is in a no win situation.

This is going to be around for a long time yet and we need to accept that even if we lock down for another 12 months as soon as we come out again there will be more cases. The virus exists, just like the flu and until a vaccine is found and herd immunity kicks in we will not be in control.
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Perhaps the only saving grace is that it's not just us,it's every other country as well, so relatively it's just the yardstick everyone measures against that's changed.

The current problem as I see it is the person/people who concocted this experiment obviously lost control before designing an antidote,and as some virologists have said 'don't hold your breath for a vaccine,it could be 30 years or more in the making,if ever'

It's somewhat ironic the government ( of any colour) paying the nations wages when they don't actually have any money apart from what they grab from the taxpayers in the first place.

Kind of like the left hand giving to the right but the body in the middle taking a cut for passing it over Smile

While I feel for the people who've lost their jobs I do wonder if we weren't overdue some sort of economic/lifestyle upheaval as things like national and personal debt,house prices etc were heading towards or had possibly already reached unsustainable levels.

Capitalism and constantly printing money against future promises can only go so far before someone wonders how the debt will be serviced.

And obviously it can't so at some point we'll have to wipe the slate and start again.

Communism don't work as proved elsewhere,which leaves Socialism as a watered down compromise.   Unfortunately this also won't work as long as there are flawed human beings making decisions were others to obey.

Not sure what the answer is but I'm wondering if things will ever return to be exactly the same as before this pandemic.

And on that note,and thinking about fiscal incompetence,how in the hell does Aprilia justify some of their prices?   Around £44 for 4 decals Shocked
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Don't think 100% capitalism or socialism will ever work Ian. It's finding the right balance that's important and right now it weighs heavily towards socialism at the top and capitalism at the bottom.

There's tax reform desperately needed inside the country to make it a fairer system which suits both the economy and the state. Mainly around the difference in taxation between money earned through work and money earned through investments. When you work through the numbers it makes you sick how much we are propping up a very small quantity of priveleged people.

Look at tax lost through places like Jersey alone, ignoring the way the system is broken domestically. What is it £500 billion a year? Comparing that to our current welfare spend of £250 billion a year. Of which only 1% is spent on unemployment. Assume that every single person on the dole is gaming the system, sat at home watching Sky tv with no intention of working. That's 0.5% of the figure we give to the most wealthy. Then you start looking into the different tax breaks available onshore to the wealthy and it only gets worse.

The capitalist in me thinks some people are more enterprising than others and deserve to be more wealthy through their hard work and initiative. But the socialist in me thinks that if they can only stay rich by giving them an easy ride at the expense of regular workers, maybe they don't deserve to be so rich in the first place. Especially when you look at people with disabilities and their full time carers and the pittance we throw in their direction.

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I think the world is a fickle place Ian. I’d be surprised if this breaks the stride of capitalism once the worst is over. Some of the gov debt will go into the never never as it is not asset based and is merely created.  

Doesn’t mean you won’t get taxed on the basis of it though. 
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Originally posted by blacklines blacklines wrote:

Don't think 100% capitalism or socialism will ever work Ian. It's finding the right balance that's important and right now it weighs heavily towards socialism at the top and capitalism at the bottom.

There's tax reform desperately needed inside the country to make it a fairer system which suits both the economy and the state. Mainly around the difference in taxation between money earned through work and money earned through investments. When you work through the numbers it makes you sick how much we are propping up a very small quantity of priveleged people.

Look at tax lost through places like Jersey alone, ignoring the way the system is broken domestically. What is it £500 billion a year? Comparing that to our current welfare spend of £250 billion a year. Of which only 1% is spent on unemployment. Assume that every single person on the dole is gaming the system, sat at home watching Sky tv with no intention of working. That's 0.5% of the figure we give to the most wealthy. Then you start looking into the different tax breaks available onshore to the wealthy and it only gets worse.

The capitalist in me thinks some people are more enterprising than others and deserve to be more wealthy through their hard work and initiative. But the socialist in me thinks that if they can only stay rich by giving them an easy ride at the expense of regular workers, maybe they don't deserve to be so rich in the first place. Especially when you look at people with disabilities and their full time carers and the pittance we throw in their direction.

Ah, sorry I'm ranting Ermm


And then you get to football players and rap 'artists' Dead

Sorry,but in my mind one decent nurse = at least one top football team or an entire record label of 'crappers' Wink

But I know others won't agree
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Originally posted by IanG IanG wrote:

Originally posted by blacklines blacklines wrote:

Don't think 100% capitalism or socialism will ever work Ian. It's finding the right balance that's important and right now it weighs heavily towards socialism at the top and capitalism at the bottom.

There's tax reform desperately needed inside the country to make it a fairer system which suits both the economy and the state. Mainly around the difference in taxation between money earned through work and money earned through investments. When you work through the numbers it makes you sick how much we are propping up a very small quantity of priveleged people.

Look at tax lost through places like Jersey alone, ignoring the way the system is broken domestically. What is it £500 billion a year? Comparing that to our current welfare spend of £250 billion a year. Of which only 1% is spent on unemployment. Assume that every single person on the dole is gaming the system, sat at home watching Sky tv with no intention of working. That's 0.5% of the figure we give to the most wealthy. Then you start looking into the different tax breaks available onshore to the wealthy and it only gets worse.

The capitalist in me thinks some people are more enterprising than others and deserve to be more wealthy through their hard work and initiative. But the socialist in me thinks that if they can only stay rich by giving them an easy ride at the expense of regular workers, maybe they don't deserve to be so rich in the first place. Especially when you look at people with disabilities and their full time carers and the pittance we throw in their direction.

Ah, sorry I'm ranting Ermm


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Sorry,but in my mind one decent nurse = at least one top football team or an entire record label of 'crappers' Wink

But I know others won't agree

Here's one for you Ian. According to figures from a couple years back, unpaid carers (me) saved the uk £132bn, (£8.1bn in Wales). That's the cost of another NHS, this figure is probably well past that by now. We save governments but get a raw deal ourselves. 
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Part of the reason Germany has seen low death rates is because generations of the same families live in the same house.  That means low care home occupancy, less social care outside of that given by the family and no isolation of elderly relatives during lockdown. 

Add to that, multi generational mortgages so low household debt and you begin to see where we go wrong. If you don’t have as many care homes being funded from the public purse you can reward those families that are doing the job instead.  

My auntie who sadly is no longer with us lived in Berlin in a 3 storey house with each floor occupied by a different generation. That was the norm for the general population. As one generation passed away they swapped floors etc. 


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It will be a while before I get the bike taxed and out North of the border, I dont think the police would agree that traveling a hundred miles from hom home a paper was reasonable cause..I'd feel really too guilty to enjoy it anyway, I'm in social care sector so the headlines wouldn't be good if I was pulled.

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Well when I started the thread I was going out for sure and I probably still will weather allowing but its interesting hearing everyone's opinions. It's a very hard call due to your own morale which has stopped me so far even though my bike bud has been taking extended rides home from work and i said I feel too gulity.. However it's a personal decision and everyone has their own reasons behind them and I'd say the majority just need to clear their head for a couple of hours and that would do for now. 
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Originally posted by IanG IanG wrote:

Originally posted by blacklines blacklines wrote:

Don't think 100% capitalism or socialism will ever work Ian. It's finding the right balance that's important and right now it weighs heavily towards socialism at the top and capitalism at the bottom.

There's tax reform desperately needed inside the country to make it a fairer system which suits both the economy and the state. Mainly around the difference in taxation between money earned through work and money earned through investments. When you work through the numbers it makes you sick how much we are propping up a very small quantity of priveleged people.

Look at tax lost through places like Jersey alone, ignoring the way the system is broken domestically. What is it £500 billion a year? Comparing that to our current welfare spend of £250 billion a year. Of which only 1% is spent on unemployment. Assume that every single person on the dole is gaming the system, sat at home watching Sky tv with no intention of working. That's 0.5% of the figure we give to the most wealthy. Then you start looking into the different tax breaks available onshore to the wealthy and it only gets worse.

The capitalist in me thinks some people are more enterprising than others and deserve to be more wealthy through their hard work and initiative. But the socialist in me thinks that if they can only stay rich by giving them an easy ride at the expense of regular workers, maybe they don't deserve to be so rich in the first place. Especially when you look at people with disabilities and their full time carers and the pittance we throw in their direction.

Ah, sorry I'm ranting Ermm


And then you get to football players and rap 'artists' Dead

Sorry,but in my mind one decent nurse = at least one top football team or an entire record label of 'crappers' Wink

But I know others won't agree

I certainly do 
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Originally posted by cwp cwp wrote:

Originally posted by IanG IanG wrote:

Originally posted by blacklines blacklines wrote:

Don't think 100% capitalism or socialism will ever work Ian. It's finding the right balance that's important and right now it weighs heavily towards socialism at the top and capitalism at the bottom.

There's tax reform desperately needed inside the country to make it a fairer system which suits both the economy and the state. Mainly around the difference in taxation between money earned through work and money earned through investments. When you work through the numbers it makes you sick how much we are propping up a very small quantity of priveleged people.

Look at tax lost through places like Jersey alone, ignoring the way the system is broken domestically. What is it £500 billion a year? Comparing that to our current welfare spend of £250 billion a year. Of which only 1% is spent on unemployment. Assume that every single person on the dole is gaming the system, sat at home watching Sky tv with no intention of working. That's 0.5% of the figure we give to the most wealthy. Then you start looking into the different tax breaks available onshore to the wealthy and it only gets worse.

The capitalist in me thinks some people are more enterprising than others and deserve to be more wealthy through their hard work and initiative. But the socialist in me thinks that if they can only stay rich by giving them an easy ride at the expense of regular workers, maybe they don't deserve to be so rich in the first place. Especially when you look at people with disabilities and their full time carers and the pittance we throw in their direction.

Ah, sorry I'm ranting Ermm


And then you get to football players and rap 'artists' Dead

Sorry,but in my mind one decent nurse = at least one top football team or an entire record label of 'crappers' Wink

But I know others won't agree

Here's one for you Ian. According to figures from a couple years back, unpaid carers (me) saved the uk £132bn, (£8.1bn in Wales). That's the cost of another NHS, this figure is probably well past that by now. We save governments but get a raw deal ourselves. 

Wow that's crazy I had no idea. You do a fantastic thing mate.
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I live on the edge of the Yorkshire Dales. I have a feeling that my local bypass is going to be chocka this weekend with an invasion of cars and bikes...closely followed by sirens, picking up the pieces.
That's enough of an incentive to stay at home for the time being.
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Originally posted by cwp cwp wrote:

Originally posted by IanG IanG wrote:

Originally posted by blacklines blacklines wrote:

Don't think 100% capitalism or socialism will ever work Ian. It's finding the right balance that's important and right now it weighs heavily towards socialism at the top and capitalism at the bottom.

There's tax reform desperately needed inside the country to make it a fairer system which suits both the economy and the state. Mainly around the difference in taxation between money earned through work and money earned through investments. When you work through the numbers it makes you sick how much we are propping up a very small quantity of priveleged people.

Look at tax lost through places like Jersey alone, ignoring the way the system is broken domestically. What is it £500 billion a year? Comparing that to our current welfare spend of £250 billion a year. Of which only 1% is spent on unemployment. Assume that every single person on the dole is gaming the system, sat at home watching Sky tv with no intention of working. That's 0.5% of the figure we give to the most wealthy. Then you start looking into the different tax breaks available onshore to the wealthy and it only gets worse.

The capitalist in me thinks some people are more enterprising than others and deserve to be more wealthy through their hard work and initiative. But the socialist in me thinks that if they can only stay rich by giving them an easy ride at the expense of regular workers, maybe they don't deserve to be so rich in the first place. Especially when you look at people with disabilities and their full time carers and the pittance we throw in their direction.

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And then you get to football players and rap 'artists' Dead

Sorry,but in my mind one decent nurse = at least one top football team or an entire record label of 'crappers' Wink

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Here's one for you Ian. According to figures from a couple years back, unpaid carers (me) saved the uk £132bn, (£8.1bn in Wales). That's the cost of another NHS, this figure is probably well past that by now. We save governments but get a raw deal ourselves. 

Wow that's crazy I had no idea. You do a fantastic thing mate.

Thanks badapple mate, all unpaid carers do a great thing. Hope you're well buddy. Stay safe my friend 
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Garin is the nearest we’ve got to her. He’s got a girls haircut. 

Certainly getting long, as I'm getting to that difficult age, I think pony tail and sports car is the order of the day !

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Certainly getting long, as I'm getting to that difficult age, I think pony tail and sports car is the order of the day !

Convertible sports car for full effect.
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Just had a read on bennetts site seems like we can travel from wednesdays on bikes for leisure.
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