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    Posted: 31 Dec 2018 at 23:00
hi guys,just been to start the old girl and shes not having it.
no biggie,as ive a few xmas pennys left so i was going to upgrade the battery to the higher cca
and do the 150amp solenoid while im at it.

did it on my last mille and tuono and the difference was night and day.

also need to upgrade the trickle charger as i dont think this oford oximiser 900 is upto task tbh.
had a few and they never missed a beat but the last 2 ive had quite a few issues with,connectors loose and not locking in/charging right ect.

what battery should i be getting please,is it still the one on a.p's website,
the yuasa ttz14s or is there a better one you guys have tried and tested and where from/how much
and the same with the 150 amp starter,best place and best price if not from a.p?

theres loads off cheap crap advertised on ebay as 150 starters that i darent and wont touch,
i think griff advvertises the starter and ttz14s battery for about £115 or complete starter kit with those plus the battery cables for about £169 iirc.

any help/adice/pointers greatly recieved fellas.cheers.
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Johnboy on here makes the leads and I would get the solenoid off Griff, battery wise I personally use shido lion ltx14bs or ltx16bs.
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what charger with that old pal?
that naco one?

was just looking a shido but it came up as a ytx 14-bs for the mille


or this numax that say 300+cca?


https://www.tayna.co.uk/motorcycle-batteries/f/aprilia/rsv-1000-mille/
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I originally had the 14 in my rsv but when I bought my tuono I put it in that and bought the ltx16bs for the rsv, same size but a lot more powerful.
https://www.sportsbikeshop.co.uk/motorcycle_parts/content_prod/248811
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cheers buddy.
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Great batteries like hemi says , they have a 3 year warranty on them too.  I use the 14 which easily fits in my gen 2 factory. 
I use a Noco Genius lithium 3.5 amp charger. My 14 has 240 CA , spins the motor over better than any lead acid ,but it does have upgraded solenoid and John Walker leads,  the leads make a big difference,  I did have a hot start problem and the leads cured it. The weight difference is ridiculous ,you think someone has sold you a piece of plastic 😂,  I think you will be happy with the Shido lithium , there's a few of us now on here that have those 👌👍
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cheers mate,deffo seems the way to go.
i was going to get the leads as well but im bloody useless with ewt electrical
and i know id wish id left them alone,ill cause more problems than i solve!

so ill go with the li-ion battery with higher cca and 150a starter,see how it goes.
i knew it needed doing,even if it hadnt fubard on me,
i was going to upgrade once the weather picks up,if only for peace of mind.
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You will be well happy with the battery and the charger which does every other type of battery.  Also if there a power cut it remembers what battery it was set for so it don't ruin the battery .
John's leads are easy to fit one wire to solder and you are done.  You can pick the charger up now for about 55 quid. 
And a status lead which will show you the power in the battery without taking the seat off . You can get that at Amazon for a tenner 👍
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Pointless having a big cca battery if you haven't got the big leads to push it down.
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does it come with the eyelet connections you can leave attatched to the battery and have the connector hanging down like most trickle chargers?
or is that the status lead you mention mate?
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The more you fellas mention these empty plastic boxs the more tempted I am to go for one. Was going to use the raffle voucher but Griff isn't stocking them anymore I wonder why? 
I started out with nothing and I've still got most of it left
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They are super light and can give huge cranking amps for their size but my concern still lies with their (Very) limited capacity, typically half or less of a comparable traditional battery. I know the advocates say this is no problem but 4 to 6 Ah still seems too little to me.
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Originally posted by BIG UN BIG UN wrote:

does it come with the eyelet connections you can leave attatched to the battery and have the connector hanging down like most trickle chargers?
or is that the status lead you mention mate?
Happy new BIG UN, yes the charger does come with an eyelet connection that plugs into the charger.  The status lead is same type of lead but shows you how much charge you have in the battery.  
I will dig a picture up of it for you , if you want to put it on a trickle charger it has to be a Optimate lithium a normal one will destroy it. Tbh it can go from 25% to 90% in about 8 minutes . I normally plug the the battery in while I an checking the tyre pressures abd little charge will always give you a full battery . Just follow the advice and information you get with the battery and you will be fine.
Another good thing about them is if you were to do consecutive starts,  which Tapmyhead Nige Bowerman had to do when he had a fuel pump problem with his 1103 after building it,  he reckons it done about 17 starts , and said he doesn't think the lead acid would had coped with that.  They stop all of a sudden if you were to keep starting it till it won't start. 
Unlike a lead acid it would start to turn slowly and f**k your sprag . They turn it the same speed and then stop. It's personal choice but now I have the charger I will get one for the R1 track bike when I get it too.
I do agree with hemi though , I would get some John's leads they make a big difference,  and then you will be getting the best from your battery .
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Happy new year, I meant 😂 
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cheers buddy and happy new year to you too mate.
that listing shows it as ytx and ltx.
ill grab one of them buggers and the genius 3500 charger.

do you know of anywhere else to get a 150a starter other than a.p mate?
theres loads on ebay but seem very/too cheap.

i had one off griff before but it took absolutely ages to arrive,
i was stranded bikeless bang in the middle of summer.
they get so busy at a.p headquaters bless em.

if i order the shido and charger tmrw,i want a 150a on the way too so i can get it all done.
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BIG UN, I've always had stuff very sharpish from AP, usually next day so I think you must have had a one-off. Speak to Taz as he does all the admin and mail order now and was great last time I dealt with him.
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Originally posted by BIG UN BIG UN wrote:

cheers buddy and happy new year to you too mate.
that listing shows it as ytx and ltx.
ill grab one of them buggers and the genius 3500 charger.

do you know of anywhere else to get a 150a starter other than a.p mate?
theres loads on ebay but seem very/too cheap.

i had one off griff before but it took absolutely ages to arrive,
i was stranded bikeless bang in the middle of summer.
they get so busy at a.p headquaters bless em.

if i order the shido and charger tmrw,i want a 150a on the way too so i can get it all done.
This is the battery, sorry I gave you the wrong one this mine
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cheers dog,

has yours gone in a gen 1 or gen 2 mate and are they the same size?
looking at it,a few aderts advertise the 14-bs for mille year 98-00 but only the 12-bs for my 2002 bike?
is the battery compartment the same size on all milles,as the acid battery griff advertises seems to be one size fits all?

ive ordered the same battery as you,


plus the 150a solenoid off griff and the genius 3500 charger.
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Originally posted by legend88 legend88 wrote:

BIG UN, I've always had stuff very sharpish from AP, usually next day so I think you must have had a one-off. Speak to Taz as he does all the admin and mail order now and was great last time I dealt with him.

to be fair old pal,iirc it may have been just before or just after a bank hol at the time and bang in the middle of biking season,i was flapping and impatient due to being stranded for 3wk.
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Mine is in a gen2,  when you see the size of it, you won't believe it,  you could almost fit two on top of each other.
I am thinking of fitting utilising the space underneath the battery between the spacers. I may put pcv, Autotune and the quickshifter in there and get my toolbox compartment back.  You will have to turnover one of the spacers on its side and may have to elongate the holes on the battery bracket.  I had to but it's worth it as the 14 BS has more amp hours. 
When Nige followed suit and bought one , he said to me you sure this bit of plastic with nothing in it is going to start the bike 😂 . You won't have any problems with fitting it, it's just a matter using the lego bricks they give to pack the battery up.
They recommend that you charge it before fitting it, so just charge it with the Noco till the green light stays on permanently not flashing and it's fully charged,  the lights on the the top of the battery I found ain't as accurate as the charger or the status lead .
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great,shouldnt have a problem all year with this upgraded set up now pal.
shouldnt ever let me down now,better solenoid,much better charger and a much stronger battery.
winner winner chicken dinner.
what setting do you put your noco on for the charging pal?theres 4 different ones isnt there?
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 Just normal I set it on , just make sure that it's on Lithium,  it's a bit fiddly sometimes,  you will see the blue light on above the lithium.  Get one of the Noco status leads , then you will always know how charged the battery is without taking the seat off . Tenner at Amazon.  Get any problems give us shout,  I love to see your reaction when you get the battery out the box 😂,  good luck BIG UN👍
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lol,cheers mate.
is that what theyre called...a status lead pal?
would you fit it to bike yet or keep it in the house on charge where its warm?
bit weary after current batterys gone tits up.
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Tbh I would keep it in the house for the winter . I have took mine off again after getting it Moteed. I would give it a full charge and just leave it.  They don't lose charge like a lead acid when off the bike and not connected.  I heard of one that was on the self for three years and it fired the bike up no problem .
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This ain't a bad price on eBay  £13.99, and it's free postage . By the time you pay postage on amazon it probably be the same mate.
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brill mate,thanks.
was just looking at them on youtube.
so you fit that and that becomes the connector for the charger like normal chargers,
except it has leds showing the state of the battery charge level?
good idea.
think ill leave it in the house on charge till full.
got my mot in feb,so ill do same as you,pop it in for mot then take it out again till the weather picks up.
appreciate the help/advice and links good buddy.
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Yes the lead shows 25%,50%,75% and 100%.  It means you can keep an eye on it. They recommend that you don't attempt a start 50% or below but a 10 min charge will bring up 90% , they say you should never let them go flat,  but it happened to me because I didn't do the procedure when you reconnect the battery where you have to put the ignition on don't start it switch it off then put ot on and start it. But it was fine from flat to the green light in about 10 minutes and started the bike,  can't do that with a lead acid 😂 
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^I ordered on of these when ebay was doing 15% off :)
I need a lifepo4 trickle charger now, so will  check the links above.  Have see some for less than £40 I think.Do you know the approx discharge rate when sat unconnected for these batteries? I know much slower than agm but roughly what? The battery would not be on my bike before March at least, so was wondering.
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