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    Posted: 22 Nov 2015 at 11:46
So i've heard if i put gen2 57's into a gen1 i need to buy a gen2 pc3! That sound right?

Also do i need pc3 or pc3usb or can i fit a pc5???
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Err,No, and I'm not totally sure Big smile

As in I'm not sure if the PC5 is compatible with the early ECU,it wasn't when it was first introduced but I'm not sure if there is now a work around,Griff is the one who'll know for sure.

I know the Gen2 57's need different leads to connect to the early systems,how that effects the Power Commanders I'm not sure.

I'll watch this thread with interest as I have a Gen2 top end complete waiting to be used.
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Yeah, my info is third had so not sure, got the 57's now but may am looking out for a cheap pc3, seen 1 for 50 for gen1 but was advised with gen2 57's get a pc3usb for gen2 then it should be plug and play Wink
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I think the later USB pc3 is better than the original 3 but the PC5 has much more potential as long as it will talk nicely to the ECU/injectors.

At least that's how I understand it,could well be wrong though,my Mrs thinks I am,quite often Wink
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After another post on face book think i need to ring Griff as if i can i need a pc5 for a gen1
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They don't make a 5 for the Gen1 . Too old technology now.

A quick search on Dynojets website shows PCIII only.


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Originally posted by kiwi_rsvr kiwi_rsvr wrote:

They don't make a 5 for the Gen1 . Too old technology now.

A quick search on Dynojets website shows PCIII only.



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The common route when fitting 57's is to buy an adapter harness from Griff (There are other folks selling them), they change the injector leads to Gen 1 type and then bish bosh bash your PC3 will fit. 
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Buy injector adaptors ..griff sells these ....then a pc3 usb not the old serial port one


Pcv is for gen2 with O2 sensor


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Got PC3 USB on my Gen1 Big Bore 1060 with hooked carbon air box with Gen2 57's
It fookin flies Hehee

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What were your Dyno figures on that Nicky?
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Originally posted by NickyBoy1984 NickyBoy1984 wrote:

Got PC3 USB on my Gen1 Big Bore 1060 with hooked carbon air box with Gen2 57's
It fookin flies Hehee

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You know anything about the Tigcraft systems Nickyboy? I'm wondering about the performance gains and db ratings on the single system gen1?
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Links not working mark
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Originally posted by Ape Ape wrote:

Links not working mark
ok just google dek sawyer tigcraft


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Originally posted by Slackey Slackey wrote:

What were your Dyno figures on that Nicky?


132bhp and 88.4lb of torque Hehee

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Originally posted by mixdrive1 mixdrive1 wrote:

Originally posted by NickyBoy1984 NickyBoy1984 wrote:

Got PC3 USB on my Gen1 Big Bore 1060 with hooked carbon air box with Gen2 57's
It fookin flies Hehee

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You know anything about the Tigcraft systems Nickyboy? I'm wondering about the performance gains and db ratings on the single system gen1?


Do I know anything about the Tigcraft systems.....
Errrmmmmmm yeeeaaaaahhhhh kinda Haha

If you can find a system, they do give good bhp gains, not as much as a 2-2 akra system though
Try n see if RedRat will sell you his Hehee....

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As a few have said above pc3 usb with the adapted leads and you can modify a Pcv to fit, a few have done it and smaltmoto in Germany sell them already modded and you could then add the autotune.
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Ive a set of 57'S and used PC3 non USB from a Gen 1 RSVR, when Griff and the lads are next up this way I'll be getting 57's fitted with adapter set to suit the injectors, a quick tune up and then fit the PC3 with a custom map.. that will be on top of the renegade airbox mod, Reds modded collector, Akra can so looking for some useful gains.. if everything goes smoothly
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Originally posted by A82addict A82addict wrote:

Ive a set of 57'S and used PC3 non USB from a Gen 1 RSVR, when Griff and the lads are next up this way I'll be getting 57's fitted with adapter set to suit the injectors, a quick tune up and then fit the PC3 with a custom map.. that will be on top of the renegade airbox mod, Reds modded collector, Akra can so looking for some useful gains.. if everything goes smoothly

I too now have the 57's, used pc3, renegade and akra end can, however i'm in 2 minds with either fit the modded collector/akra end can or fit a full 2-2 system. I think the 2-2 akra system with the other mods may give better bhp gains but i'm not sure how much over reds collector mod???Shocked
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Originally posted by markrsvr15 markrsvr15 wrote:

Originally posted by NickyBoy1984 NickyBoy1984 wrote:

Originally posted by Slackey Slackey wrote:

What were your Dyno figures on that Nicky?


132bhp and 88.4lb of torque Hehee

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what esle you have on your bike mate yours has more torque than mine but I have 132bhp with out big bore
is it worth nearly 2k


That Big Bore Titanium Akra system Mate, makes a HUGE amount of midrange!!
The whole setup I've got is geared towards maximum torque, the bhp figure is just a bi product...

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Originally posted by NickyBoy1984 NickyBoy1984 wrote:


That Big Bore Titanium Akra system Mate, makes a HUGE amount of midrange!!
The whole setup I've got is geared towards maximum torque, the bhp figure is just a bi product...

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these bikes arent about max power as nickyboy says ,,want it? buy an inline 4 !
 
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Oooooo Yes Mate many times Ha, Griff talked me out of doing it though!

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Soooo, we have all seen this sp (arrow) 2-2 gen1 system on ebay...I'm not gonna lie, i'm interested in it...do we know if it will give better bhp/torque than the akra 2-2 system, i've already got 1 1/2 2-2 akra systems but i do like the "rs250" look of the arrow???
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Like it buy it...simples

As before Gabro has said this is the best performing system


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Like it buy it...simples

As before Gabro has said this is the best performing system

 Oh bugger, Gabro does know his sh*t...........Think i'm gonna get very drunk and put in an offer. Personally i don't like the side by side twin systems, however i've always had a week spot for these as i had an arrow system on my 250 all them years ago Confused
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Well...I offered 500 but no go, even drunk i don't want to pay more than that on a track bike so i'm out Wacko
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Gabro ain't wrong, the shotgun system is one of the best performing out there but different systems will give different gains so it's a question of what your after, power or torque and where abouts in the rev range you want it...?

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Well i only really use the very top of the revs on track, just loosing out to a 2005 cbr600 at the min, so just want a little more power without spending too much.....He's had his pc'd so i'm going from totally standard this year to pc3, 57's renegade airbox, rcs but can't decide on exhaust....Got a tigcraft and akra 2-2 but they maybe too nice to throw down the track and i'm worried about dbs. Edging more towards redrats modded collector and akra end can then having the lot Griffed and dyno'd.....Really want another 10bhp though?? Embarrassed
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